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[Ludwig]

Keep it until you are absolutely 100% sure!

[kraut72]

Hi

this one original intact gold finish....

[RobertE]

Now I'm 100% sure the badge is repainted. You can see the traces of the correct black paint on the pin tube.

I'm not so sure. Look at the plated finish on the barrel hinge itself. The pin body is often a different color than the hinge barrel. I've had three of these and it is not uncommon IMO.

The finish does look odd to me but given the rarity of such a badge, I can honestly say I haven't seen that many with near 100 percent finish.

s/f Robert

[Alex Bolotnikov]

I'm not so sure. Look at the plated finish on the barrel hinge itself. The pin body is often a different color than the hinge barrel. I've had three of these and it is not uncommon IMO.

The finish does look odd to me but given the rarity of such a badge, I can honestly say I haven't seen that many with near 100 percent finish.

s/f Robert

Hi Robert,

Juncker is known for having a black pin on the badges. Bronze and silver grades have such sign. Worn pieces have a pin without any finish and some remains of the black near the hinge area. But here I see the remains of correct black finish AND golden paint on the pin. That's why my opinion is that the badge is repainted. Also the color is different imo from what we can see on more common Juncker 75/100 PABs.

[RobertE]

I see what you mean. The barrel and contrasting pin are fine, but the fact the whole pin has been painted gold instead of the black like it should be is a warning flag.

Here's one of mine illustrating the black pin set in a gold barrel. The broad pins also had dual-colored hinge setups.

s/f Robert

[Alex Bolotnikov]

I see what you mean. The barrel and contrasting pin are fine, but the fact the whole pin has been painted gold instead of the black like it should be is a warning flag.
s/f Robert

Exactly!

[Antonio Scapini]

I can only agree, IMO it is a professional work but it is not a wartime Juncker finish. Not what I would be happy to see.

[pavels_2005]

Hi,

Thank you for your opinions.

Regarding the different colors of needle, hardware parts and the body of the presented examples – I think it is quite common situation on 3rd reich badges. The hardware was produced from different materials. Sometimes from tombak sometimes from steel (magnetic material). Very offten the sets of hardware were mix of different material – for example steel ( magnetic ) needle, buntmetal hook, body of the hinge from another marial etc. If you put such set on Zinc badge and then coat the badge with the galvanic – it will all get the same color. BUT the galvanic doesnt hold in the same way on each material. So after 70 yaers we see different examples as posted. For example total faded body, with nice coated hinge body, with different color of needle etc. We know that the coating doesnt hold very good on zinc, doesnt hold very good on steel but hold nicely on tombak, brass, cooper etc.

We can see this situation by many pieces from different producers not only by Juncker. The level of fading differs on the condition how the badge was used, how the badge was stored, touched etc....

We also know that the producers used different type of finishes. They changed the technology, they could source the galvanic step from different suppliers etc. So there is no rarity to see few different types of gold, silver or bronce finishes by the badges made by the same producer on the same type of badge.

Now to the finish that is on the APB that I presented- I think this is a type of gold finish called – Feuervergoldung. It is an old technology that was used in past to get very nice and quality gold finish. Why could not Juncker use this type of the gold on APB? We know that the gold grades were rare, many of them were awarded personally by Himmler so they deserved the nice and quality gold finish.

We know that Juncker used this type of finish ( or had suppliers for this type of finish) See other Juncker war badges with the same type of finish. Note the CCC in gold – the same type of finish – hardware completely coated etc. He could easily apply the same on this APB – why not?

I still think that this APB could be one of the nice preserved pieces with completed coating. It was not awarded, not worn, lying in the office and than in old collection......

How many pieces of complete gold coated pieces of APB do we know?? Lets show some examples.... Show also some Juncker example with nice gold coating and black needle....

What about Thomas Durante? Can you Thomas tell us your opinion to this badge, what do you think? What about opinions of other experts?

I hope we can see some more thoughts – to find out if this could be good piece or not.

Thanks a lot
Pavel

Here are few examples of feuervergoldet badges from Junckers production, I used Weitzes pictures, but I am sure we would be able to find more of them in forum database:

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[Alex Bolotnikov]

Can't comment on CCC but Juncker POs always have a black pin (unless it's a worn piece of course). Juncker Aux can be found with both black and yellow pin but in the second case it's also not painted.

[kraut72]

Hi Pavel

Your badge not "Feuervergoldung" finish,with an identical type can be found /bit worn/Patzwall Bka book, page 61.

[90th Light]

Can't comment on CCC but Juncker POs always have a black pin (unless it's a worn piece of course). Juncker Aux can be found with both black and yellow pin but in the second case it's also not painted.

My silver Type1 Juncker APB has a broad silver pin and hinge.

It probably is last production run of the type 1 but may be a bit earlier and has the rough right inner rim. When you run your finger over it, it feels sharp and uneven, unlike the the left inner rim.

I realise the gold one that started this thread is a type 2 with a needle pin but thought it worth adding here that there are some type 1's that do not have the broad pin in "black" only,

Chris

[Oscar]

I would like add my two cents. I'm not fan theory about black pin but I'm also not fan of this finish. Its not typical fire-gold Junckers finish.

Pavel, please try acetone but rub pretty hard on the gold paint (in the place on last pic) and I am sure some will eventually come off.

Thanks, Rob