Sniper Badge-Hand Embroidered

[jacquesf]

"Quality before Quantity. Facts better than assumptions...

...but everybody has there own collection standards.

Cheers,
Markus "

It seems yours change when it involves getting money for items from your collection. I am sorry but you are really full of it. Not long ago you said you will not post again on the WAF. Now you are back blowing your own horn. J

[tgn]

"Quality before Quantity. Facts better than assumptions...

...but everybody has there own collection standards.

Cheers,
Markus "

It seems yours change when it involves getting money for items from your collection. I am sorry but you are really full of it. Not long ago you said you will not post again on the WAF. Now you are back blowing your own horn. J

Sorry, but Markus seems to know what he is talking about and has done a lot of research about these badges.

You, on the other hand, add no information, just personal attacks.

Tom

[jacquesf]

Sorry, but Markus seems to know what he is talking about and has done a lot of research about these badges.

You, on the other hand, add no information, just personal attacks.

Tom

Your comments are irrelevant to me. I have seen you in action over the years, but this is not about you. There is nothing personal about what I am saying. Simply stating facts that are on the record and available on the WAF. Markus is on record regarding regarding the Weissinger group over many years and also that he said he will not post on the WAF again. A lot of tune changing happening. J

For those that don't feel like using the search function. An example of the "flip flopping".

"This is my final post on WAF:

I just got a cupal set from the German vet (personality) directly and the overall quality, finish, crispness have nothing in common with this single 'drill-hole' cypher. I wouldn't touch it. Only my opinion of course.

I now have all types of cyphers including the very first 1933 model (1-2 known examples) in my small collection and none look like the thing on that tunic.

The tunic as such looks very nice btw.

Ok guys, I'm through with posting on the forum now for good and wish everyone here a good time!

Cheers!
Markus"

[markus]

"Quality before Quantity. Facts better than assumptions...

...but everybody has there own collection standards.

Cheers,
Markus "

It seems yours change when it involves getting money for items from your collection. I am sorry but you are really full of it. Not long ago you said you will not post again on the WAF. Now you are back blowing your own horn. J

I have sold 2-3 items from my collection in all the time I have been collecting (since 1999). 1 x Weissinger group and then 2 pins if I remember correctly. You are missinformed, I assume.
I collect and build a focussed collection and I don't deal with militaria, buy and sell. I am also not in it for money, people who know me can easily assure you. That actually offends me.

I could not care less if I realized I had a fake in my collection. I'd stand up for it.

What is so wrong with realizing a decade later, that I don't believe in these anymore? I believed these are good, now, since 1-2 years I don't anymore. So what? It's only my opinion. Period.

I am saying: The badges might be original, they might be post-war. Nobody knows. There's no period proof.

The day I see real proof, I'm the first one to buy a couple of these.

Why are you having such a hard time accepting my and only my own personal opinion on these?

If you want to say that I sold them knowingly (how could I know they are fakes, I still don't?!), then say and prove it.

Otherwise apologize.

Remember, I tried to buy the group back from you and you never replied to me.

I belived in these badges, now I don't anymore.

Why should that be your problem? You also sold it on to someone else. Did I know more about these at the time I sold the group than you when you sold it the same way a few years later?! Obviously not. Hell, we still don't know if they are good or bad.

This is a discussion, everyone has the right to chip in. I need to convince nowone and only try to contribute with my limited knowledge.

Sorry, I ever voiced my small little personal opinion on these here.

Cheers,
Markus

[jacquesf]

Well you made good money out of it, when you still believed them to be original. I Hope this is a correct statement. J

[markus]

Well you made good money out of it, when you still believed them to be original. I Hope this is a correct statement. J

Yes, this is correct. "A." litterally threw money at me, wanting the group so badly. It was the only item that was not LAH/W-SS related in my collection and after some fighting with myself I finally sold it.

I regretted it for years. My friends in the hobby recall my moaning at collector meetings, crying about having sold the group. Then I saw you had it. I contacted you to buy it back. I couldn't recover it. I let it go....

Years passed, I learned more about snipers and the hobby and yes, eventually I changed my opinion on these. Merely a personal opinion, because there is no way I can know to this day.

I'm just being honest here and that's how people know me and appreciate me as a person, fellow collector and business man.

Now let's stop these personal attacks and stay focussed on the sniper badges.

Thank you and take care.

Markus

[Peter J.]

"Well you made good money out of it, when you still believed them to be original. I Hope this is a correct statement. J"

Excuse me for stumbling into this thread, but what on earth does the above comment have to do with this very interesting discussion?

cheers
Peter

[Willi Z.]

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[Bruce Simcox]

Well......

......The following is, IMO, pertinent enough to deserve some merit. But, it seems to have been overlooked, or just flat out ignored. Even though it is relevant to this excellent, on-going discussion.

I haven't personally read it at his point, but it is definitely a book I fully intend to read.

Granted, the author is now deceased, but does that mean his recorded memoirs are weightless?

A really interesting thread.

I read the book about Josef Allenberger ablout 6 months ago in german. I think most of you will know it.

Sniper on the Eastern Front: The Memoirs of Sepp Allerberger
in german: Im Auge des Jägers

I can still remember that i read in the book he got the golden sniper badge with the Award document together and he sent it home to his parents because he was afraid if he get captured by the russians with this document and award.

In the book are 4 Award documents from Allenberger shown and 1 Picture in black and White from his sniper badge.

1.) the ISA document

2.) the wound badge in silver document

3.) the document for the sharp shooter badge 1, 2nd and 3rd class all in one document - it is dated 02.03.1945

4.) the iron cross 1st class document


Maybe anybody knows if this documents are real and in which collection they are? Allenberger died in 2010 Siezenheim near Salzburg about 100 km away from my hometown.

Regards

[CWP]

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ht=allenberger

"2006 i visited him and he said that he became only a Document
with all 3 steps from the sniper badge but no Badges. The Division had to this time no badges..."

[Bruce Simcox]

Hi......

......Thank you Chris.

[tgn]

Your comments are irrelevant to me. I have seen you in action over the years, but this is not about you. "

[Chris Boonzaier]

Hi,

I have no opionion on the badges as they are not my collecting field, but just 2 thoughts...

1) Certain awards were just given on paper... i.e. instituted and awarded before they were produced/were availible at the unit. I have no idea if that was the case here.

2) It is nice meeting and talking to vets... but I often find they are the worst source of information out there. A good late friend was in the Totenkopf and fought at Metz for all the combats there... he swore blind there was never a Metz 44 title awarded. (as an example)... I have met infantrymen who did not know that the Honour clasp existed, A U-Boot man who had never heard of the U-Boot front spange, many who are totally at sea when you talk about the Criteria for Assault badges, and who were not 100% sure about the different kinds...

Just my 2cents, without any comments on what are good here and what are not...

Best
Chris

[Gary Symonds]

[QUOTE=Mike Kenny;6287421]I just love Sniper Badge threads. So much money involved (let's not mention reputations), so many opinions (what's that they say about opinions?), and now some "questionable" evidence but so little GENUINE information. It's a pity the few known snipers couldn't actually shed any light the subject of what a genuine badge looks like, which is sort of illuminating in and of itself.

FACT 1: the badge was instituted
FACT 2: .................hmmmmmm

A small digression, consensus has NOTHING to do with determining whether a badge/item is ACTUALLY genuine or ACTUALLY a reproduction, regardless of whether it's an item like this or a common badge Worse, reading that group opinions (whoops, I mean consensus) now rule almost every part of every hobby is apparently the norm comes as a bit of a shock If there are no facts to back up a "consensus" I'd suggest it's a case of the blind leading the deaf, dumb and blind. Those who shout the loudest and longest win the discussion (reach consensus) and (any) facts be damned.

Back to Sniper Badges, I'm happy with my "not accepted original" as most likely an older reproduction (still don't recall having seen another one like it though) as a nice filler. To be clear, I'm quite happy calling it an old repro and I am not trying gain any sort of consensus over it - aside from "not accepted original" At least I'm comfortable with it and I'm not kidding myself over it's authenticity......but to play devil's advocate, it has as much chance of being original as almost every other type shown in this thread based on known facts (definite repros currently being sold as repros, or known to have been sold as repros in the past, aside).

Regards
Mike [/QUOTE

Mike:

If Chris Pittman say there is a "consenus," then by god, he must be right! Please don't dare question the collective mentality.

Afterall, weren't they right about 6 strand SS cuff titles being fake? Remember the old saying "7 is heaven."

Please don't think for yourself. It is against WAF protocol.

[markus]

Gefreiter Bruno Sutkus achieved 209 confirmed kills on the Eastern Front.

In his book "Im Fadenkreuz - Tagebuch eines Scharfschuetzen" (Munin-Verlag) he writes: "On November 21, 1944, I was awarded the Sniper Badge, 3rd grade (Gold). I had achieved the required 60 kills already since quite some time. For this high decoration for snipers I was given a preliminary award certificate. The award itself, the Sniper badge in cloth, I never received. (Page 43)

Markus