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    #31
    Touched ou untouched, these photos cant´change the fact that shameful actions (to say the least) against jews (and various other people) were taken by german troops behind the lines.

    That´s the point.

    J.

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      #32
      Originally posted by Dennis J View Post
      Thanks Peter for the heads up on this photo.I will tell my 82 year old family friend that lives in Russia that had his hands cut off by the German army(not the ss) because he stole a potato because he was hungary.That it is all a big mistake and that the German army was right after all they invaded his country and killed his family by starvation and hanging them up like dogs and making them a slave to the greater German Reich.That it was all a big mistake.I know he will be glad to hear this.

      An American angel
      Dennis J
      Hi again, guys !

      I have no doubts about the crimes committed by Germans (as a whole, not only soldiers). I only want to state, that most oft the other involved nations - more or less - did suche things too (if not in this, than in another war). The problem for me is, that everybody in the world is only talking about OUR crimes - the others never seem to have happend or seem to be the "answer" to our deeds. And that is NOT true !

      Ignoring the unqualified answer of Dennis I'm glad to see, that not everybody in this thread has become a victim of the own "allied reeducation". History is not as easy as some people believe... but it's always easy to throw the first stone !

      Kind regards (and I hope You all will enjoy Your hobby also in the future),

      Peter

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        #33
        Disturbing images in this post, but I think they are very useful to keep some hearts and minds in a safe distance from the beautiful artifacts that we collect.

        Cheers,
        Ricky

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          #34
          Peter

          Peter,

          Allied "re-education" ???? ... Just be grateful the Nazi's were crushed !

          Gary J.


          Originally posted by peterm View Post
          Hi again, guys !

          I have no doubts about the crimes committed by Germans (as a whole, not only soldiers). I only want to state, that most oft the other involved nations - more or less - did suche things too (if not in this, than in another war). The problem for me is, that everybody in the world is only talking about OUR crimes - the others never seem to have happend or seem to be the "answer" to our deeds. And that is NOT true !

          Ignoring the unqualified answer of Dennis I'm glad to see, that not everybody in this thread has become a victim of the own "allied reeducation". History is not as easy as some people believe... but it's always easy to throw the first stone !

          Kind regards (and I hope You all will enjoy Your hobby also in the future),

          Peter

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            #35
            IMO, these images simply show who people (in their majority) really are, and how cruel they can easily be to each other.. Shame in my book

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              #36
              Bandenkampf

              Originally posted by peterm View Post
              Hi again, guys !

              I have no doubts about the crimes committed by Germans (as a whole, not only soldiers). I only want to state, that most oft the other involved nations - more or less - did suche things too (if not in this, than in another war). The problem for me is, that everybody in the world is only talking about OUR crimes - the others never seem to have happend or seem to be the "answer" to our deeds. And that is NOT true !

              Ignoring the unqualified answer of Dennis I'm glad to see, that not everybody in this thread has become a victim of the own "allied reeducation". History is not as easy as some people believe... but it's always easy to throw the first stone !

              Kind regards (and I hope You all will enjoy Your hobby also in the future),

              Peter
              Peter!
              I will tell Joseph's son when I email him that a fellow forum member said I was unqualified to tell the story about his dad getting his hands cut off with a "Guillotine" by the nazi army.That's what I said a "Guillotine".My family's and my Jewish friend Mrs Goldberg was beaten and raped by the SS in a camp untill the end of the war.The only reason they did not kill her is that she was very pretty and worked very hard in the camp.She was also in the camps band.At the end of the war they got that camp guard and sent him to HELL.I will make sure to call her and have her re-educate me on how she was treated in a NAZI SS work camp.

              Dennis J

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                #37
                And I who thought that political discussions were forbidden at the WAF...

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Ludwig View Post
                  And I who thought that political discussions were forbidden at the WAF...
                  It seems to be OK if you criticise the Third Reich.

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                    #39
                    Obviously.

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                      #40
                      I´ll check that...

                      Has there been awards for english and american Bombercrews?

                      solkors

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                        #41
                        Robin

                        Well they certainly gave the world plenty of ammunition to criticise themselves with ... for at least a thousand years .. and no doubt things will remain the same for that period of time ....


                        Originally posted by Robin Lumsden View Post
                        It seems to be OK if you criticise the Third Reich.

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Gary Jucha View Post
                          Well they certainly gave the world plenty of ammunition to criticise themselves with ... for at least a thousand years .. and no doubt things will remain the same for that period of time ....


                          The only thing that you can do is post stupid remarks, without contributing in a positive way, in most of the threads that you post in.
                          In your small, very small world, there is no grey. Only black and white.
                          You just jump in and try to make every thread (Dresden, Jochen Peiper, FJ RK winner, bandenkampf,...) ridiculous with your remarks.
                          In most cases, the threads are closed.

                          And, my friend, I'm not a closet national-socialist. My grandfather was in the Resistance and was decorated by the belgian gouvernement.
                          So, I'm some way, he did make the same sacrifice as your old man.
                          One difference, if my grandfather was caught, he was definatly shot or transported to Dachau orso.

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by solkors View Post
                            I´ll check that...

                            Has there been awards for english and american Bombercrews?

                            solkors

                            ? ? ?

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                              #44
                              i THINK whats hes saying is that how come British and american bombers crews didn't get the same type of awards as some circles state that the allied bombings were a war crime but the way i think of it is all sides bombed city's and towns so its a moot point! why? its just the allies did it on a big and better scale! again if people DO use that type of argument then what about the v weapons or was that ok cos it was the "baddies" aka the Germans who where using them!

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                                #45
                                Really

                                I respect your grandfather, he was a brave man, and knew what he was fighting to stop ..

                                As for "Black and White" .. you are 100% correct. There are no "grey" area's when it comes Nazi oppression.


                                Originally posted by Nico C View Post
                                The only thing that you can do is post stupid remarks, without contributing in a positive way, in most of the threads that you post in.
                                In your small, very small world, there is no grey. Only black and white.
                                You just jump in and try to make every thread (Dresden, Jochen Peiper, FJ RK winner, bandenkampf,...) ridiculous with your remarks.
                                In most cases, the threads are closed.

                                And, my friend, I'm not a closet national-socialist. My grandfather was in the Resistance and was decorated by the belgian gouvernement.
                                So, I'm some way, he did make the same sacrifice as your old man.
                                One difference, if my grandfather was caught, he was definatly shot or transported to Dachau orso.
                                Last edited by Gary Jucha; 11-20-2008, 03:57 AM. Reason: ..

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