Cased Ehrenzeichen fur Deutsche Volkspflege 1 Stufe

[adren]

Hi Adren, the ribbon bar looks very nice, is it the "clip-on" style to be added to longer bars?

I wouldnt mind seeing pics of it (front and back).

/peter

Hi Peter here you go, I don't really know how they work, it does not seem to have a clip-on system?

Best Regards,

Adren

[Antonio Scapini]

...the Deumer pattern closely resembles a Godet. In fact, so much so that I would speculate some sort of business connection/cooperation existed between the two companies. Possibly there was some parts sharing or die sharing going on. Or maybe Deumer didn't even make them at all and simply bought the finished product from Godet. I have to wonder: Is it even possible to tell a Godet from a Deumer?

We have seen may times connection/cooperation between different makers, and I suspect this could be another time.
Deumer and Godet crosses are very close, IMO Deumer bought them from Godet for his sales and today there is no way to distinguish them.

PS: I forgot: very nice set Adren, thanks for sharing!

[VonPeter]

Thanks. It looks like the pegs has been broken off. But still very nice

Look here:


/peter

[adren]

Thanks. It looks like the pegs has been broken off. But still very nice

Look here:


/peter

Ok, I see, Thanks for the clarification!

Best Regards,

Adren

[adren]

Hi Adren,

That is wonderful. Thanks for posting that beauty.

Best regards,
Tom

Thanks! I like it alot, Godet really had nice quality always

Best Regards,

Adren

[Tom Yanacek]

Hi Peter here you go, I don't really know how they work, it does not seem to have a clip-on system?

Hey Adren,

That ribbon bar alone is a pretty scarce item. Thanks for posting the pictures of it.

Best regards,
Tom

[Tom Yanacek]

We have seen may times connection/cooperation between different makers, and I suspect this could be another time.

Hi Antonio,

Another thing that comes to mind concerns the Iron Cross First Class: An Iron Cross First Class by Godet (marked 'L/50') is virtually identical to an Iron Cross First Class by C.F. Zimmermann (marked '20'). So Godet not only had business association with Lüdenscheid-based firms, but Pforzheim-based firms as well. And for that matter, they probably had business dealings with firms from all over the empire. I think there is so much more to this than we really know.

Deumer and Godet crosses are very close, IMO Deumer bought them from Godet for his sales and today there is no way to distinguish them.

I wonder if this explains why we find only some of the cases embossed with the Godet Logo. Maybe the cases without the Godet marking were for the pieces sold to other manufacturers?

Best regards,
Tom

[Antonio Scapini]

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I wonder if this explains why we find only some of the cases embossed with the Godet Logo. Maybe the cases without the Godet marking were for the pieces sold to other manufacturers?

Best regards,
Tom

In my opinion the answer is yes.
Cooperation between manufacturers was bigger than what we think/know today. There were a lot of exchanges, includig the same dies used to make the awards.

[jwburchell]

Gentlemen:

I debated whether to open a new thread or revive this one by posting my example here. I decided that it would be better here for ease of reference and discussion, also as an addition to the collected knowledge accumulated in this excellent thread on this particular award. So, here goes...in this example:

- the talons are not cutout but have bronze metal in those areas;
- the wreath detail is kind of crude and does have traces of white enamel in the grooves of the wreath detail;
- the coloration is a gold finish versus antiqued and pale;
- the top of the eagle's head does have a slight dip vs. more straight;
- the suspension device has good vein detail on the leaves but the coloration is pale vs. bright fire gilt, yet consistent with the overall aging of the award;
-the simple lettering on the inside upper lid of the case is a variation from the other examples;
- the impressed gold border on the case is weak and non-existent in places;
- the metal locking device on the case is more fancy than the push-button type and fastens from bottom to top;
- the fitted case has provision for a ribbon bar;
- while the cross is flat, the enamelling does add a certain spherical look;
- the ribbon appears to be tightly-woven.

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[Antonio Scapini]

Hi John, to be honest I really don't know about your cross.
It looks different from all the other patterns, it is so crude that could be a good one!
It also doesn't match with the Souval post war production.

I forgot: the ribbon is good.