The Females Arrived!!

[josh105]

Some more RAD eagle divises (with Stan's pin set up) - note the lack of a suspension ring:

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[Stan]

Yes, and neither of these is made of lightweight cupal; they are heavy tombac versions.

I have never ever seen a tombac male or female 4-yr medal only cupal versions.

I am also fairly certain that all 4 grades for men were in cupal not tombac, so why make the 18-yr and 25-yr female medals in tombac and zinc?

Just thinking out loud here.

Stan

[josh105]

The following four (w/ a female 4 and male examples) are described as being made from Buntmetall (Ferrous metal) and would be very heavy in compared to the aluminum/cupal - would need to examine in hand to be sure:

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[josh105]

Just thinking out loud here.

Thinking with you Stan!


Two more:
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[Stan]

OK. I stand corrected!

That bronze male medal from Weitze looks a beauty...

Stan

[josh105]

That bronze male medal from Weitze looks a beauty...

I would not hesitate to buy everyone I just showed just to study but his priced are hard to rationalize... € 350 for a bronze, € 750 for the gold male!!

The hunt and study continues! It would also be amazing to see if they were ring marked or not... but from the photos/descriptions there is nothing!

[Thomas Bendixen]

I'm with Stan here, I'm sceptical towards solid buntmetal pieces.

Kr, Thomas

[tgn]

Tom,

What makes you so sure that the only style of eagle used on the RAD Female 18-Yr and 25-Yr medals was the type which are now used on some of the more questionable medals?


Stan

Look at the ribbon for the higher grade men's RAD awards. They are all embroidered with a short wing eagle just like the correct metal eagles for the female awards. That is what I base it on.

Did they also use the other Wehrmacht style eagles? Probably. You also occasionally find SS and Army officer hats with NSDAP cap eagles directly from veteran sources and in period photos. Does that mean the NSDAP eagle is also a legitimate SS or Heer cap eagle? Not really.

Even Doehle's books have some errors, as we have seen with the SS long service and Memel medals.

Tom

[Ron Weinand]

I'm with Tom on these. RAD LS are much more scarce than most imagine, especially in this condition.

[Stan]

Did they also use the other Wehrmacht style eagles? Probably.

Tom,

This is exactly my point, different makers used different eagles.

I do not disagree with you that the stubby eagle was probably the official style of eagle to be used on these female RAD medals, but without having sight of the Verordnugsblatt we will never know what style of eagle (if any) was specified for the female bow ribbon of the 18Yr and 25Yr medals. It may well have just stipulated a national eagle in either silver or gold.

I also have the mens 18Yr and 25r medals with embroidered ribbons, but does this make the other mens medals with or without metal eagle devices wrong? I really don't think so.

Of course, this is just my opinion.

Stan

[tgn]

Stan,
that is a killer embroidered eagle ribbon. Thanks for posting it.

I think the 18 year and 25 year men's versions without the embroidered eagle are incomplete. And it don't think it is correct to put a metal eagle on a men's award.

Tom

[josh105]

Can anyone comment on the rarity of the female civil cross?

I currently have it listed on estand and an interested party is curious how rare it is opposed to the normal civil cross.

I find this question extremely hard to answers - thus, I propose it here.

How often are they seen? Does anyone have an example to post?

Thanks in advance mates,
Josh

[Thomas Bendixen]

Hi Josh, I have collected civilian stuff for nearly 30 years and its a first for me!

Kr. Thomas

[Giel VW]

First one for me too. Pretty expensive though for just an other fold in the ribbon

[Antonio Scapini]

Idem, first one for me too.
Thanks for showing us Josh!