The Females Arrived!!

[Antonio Scapini]

I agree with Stan and understand what Thomas asked; this mark is post war, used from Souval only after 1945. Before the firm of Souval marked with L/58 but in a different way.
These medals are really well done, and without the L/58 mm can fool a lot of collectors. At a first glance me too. But the marking in unquestionable, it happened the same with a lot of other medals. The medal are more dangerous that the badges, because all the L/58 badges used a post-war hardware that is well known and are easy to recognize.
In few hours I'll be back home and I'll post some more evidences.

[Stan]

But the female 25-Yr Faithful Service Cross is a killer

Stan

[Antonio Scapini]

Here two more L/58 post war marks. I have a lot of examples I used to recognize the fake L/58 Memel.

[josh105]

Thanks for the discussion... here is my L/58 mark to the original RAD25 posted:



A couple questions just so I understand:

1) You're saying Souval ONLY used this type of stamp on post-war products (I have seen it on 57'ers as well);

2) The accepted 25RAD female will be unmarked and light weight?;

3) Is the 'bow-tie' configuration even accepted? From what I have seen on period display boards even the female award came with straight ribbon;

This one is strange bc the seller was saying it came with a lot of items from a vet (I know don't buy the story - but it came after the sale, so not sure why!?) Perpahs even vets buy post war fillers for their collections.

Thanks for the study gentlemen... I paid a decent penny for this so I want to be 110% sure on it.

[Stan]

As you will see from the link I gave you in post #14, I too had one of these heavy versions mm'd L/58. The quality was fantastic and I truly believed it to be period. I posted it on the german forum SDA and some members liked it but most said it was a fake. I asked Helmut Weitze and he told me he would not be able to sell any medal marked L/58.

I then posted it on the forum and a member emailed me photos of a post war Souval L/58 Police 8-Yr medal which was also of exceptional quality and made of tombac. I also contacted a high end Russian collector and he told me he would only be happy with the cupal version.

I returned my medal within the 14-day inspection period and received a refund. I now have another version with no issues.

Originals do have bow ribbons and the one's which don't probably came from manufacturers sample boards.

Hope this helps.

Stan

[speedytop]

Hi,

there are no doubts for me, that all the L/58 pieces were made post May 1945.

Souval produced nearly all the Third Reich pieces as copies, sometimes marked with L/58, but often not marked.

And yes, they are often in a very good quality.

Uwe

[josh105]

I agree with Stan and understand what Thomas asked; this mark is post war, used from Souval only after 1945. Before the firm of Souval marked with L/58 but in a different way.

Can someone please post an accepted PRE-1945, L/58 mm!

[tgn]

Here is the one I now have made of cupal.

Stan

Stan, the eagle is incorrect on this one.

Tom

[Antonio Scapini]

Can someone please post an accepted PRE-1945, L/58 mm!

Here we go Josh:
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/iron...8/1/l_58_1.htm

http://www.ek1-dna.de/l-58-rudolf-so...---pinback.php

I saw even the L/58 without "/", only L58.

...I then posted it on the forum and a member emailed me photos of a post war Souval L/58 Police 8-Yr medal which was also of exceptional quality and made of tombac. ...
Stan

I post the police 8 year medal I have in my database with a lot of other Souval post war medals/badges. Some of them are really well done.

[Stan]

Stan, the eagle is incorrect on this one.

Tom

No its not. Different makers used different eagles.

Check Angolia p152 and you will see an identical eagle on a 18-Yr RAD medal for females.

Stan

[ValhallaMilitaria]

I really like the RAD 25yr, VERY nice...

Rob.

As do I , very nice items here!

[josh105]

I'm still baffled this is accepted as a post-war medal! The details!

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[tgn]

No its not. Different makers used different eagles.

Check Angolia p152 and you will see an identical eagle on a 18-Yr RAD medal for females.

Stan

I wouldn't use Angolia as a reference. There are a lot of bad items shown in his books. The eagle on your example is a Wehrmacht long service eagle. The RAD long service eagle is like the one sewn on the ribbon of the L/58 marked example.

[Stan]

OK, then check out Doehle' 1943 reference book p54 where a similar Wehrmacht style eagle is illustrated.


Stan

[Stan]

Tom,

What makes you so sure that the only style of eagle used on the RAD Female 18-Yr and 25-Yr medals was the type which are now used on some of the more questionable medals?


Stan