Tank Destruction Badges

[deejay]

Deejay,
fantastic, can't wait for the type 2. When I looked in detail, there's another fairly prominent flaw on the 4th track link back on the front upper track, which could almost be a makers mark. I'll try to get a photo of this area, but I'm working with a mickey-mouse camera, so give me time.
Do you know any details of the manufacturers? or the period that the different types were made in?

Cheers,

Neil

Hi,

thanks for all comments so far, I appreciate it very much and motivates me to get more done on the subject.

For Neil. To answer your question on names of manufacturers I have the following remarks.

I have no written proof of any particular maker(s) of this badge. Dr. Klietmans books do not mention any as far as I know. Some people state that the makers on paper wrappings often encountered for the TDB's are actual manufactures; all I can say is that the paper packets also to be described as small envelopes (light brown paper with often different markings) do not have any actual provenance at all. These light brown paper packets with manufacturer stamps appeared on the market together with the so called 1957 pieces and with other obvious reproductions and therefore not accepted as authentic wartime packets by the more serious collectors. Also there are blue types (seems the same paper as used on EK2 packets) these have also been disgussed often but also have mostly been found with reproduction badges in them, however a blue packet stamped on the rear by Moriz Hausch A.-G. Pforzheim exists in a collection, the owner states he has actual provenance. The funny thing is that I would expect it to be stamped Moritz Hausch A. -G. allthough other medal packets with definate proof of authenticy stamped Moriz Ha... are very common, there is a good chance it is authentic. I will get a picture of it on this thread. Here is a example packet which we see flying around with it's reproduction badge.

[deejay]

and another

[deejay]

and again another with this time again another reproduction badge

[deejay]

and it's rear with a unclear maker stamp (probably Frank M******246;nert Gablonz a. N.).

People, watch out for these!

I could actually write a whgole new thread on the packets alone as also on the reproductions. Maybe later in this thread. First I hope you all submit and keep submitting your badges with a image to this thread and I also want to focus on the authentic badges which will then make recognizing reproductions much easier.

[Porsche]

Deejay,
I've managed to get some photo's of the detail of my 'Salty' TDB. The badge shows all of your type 1 characteristics ,measures roughly the same and weighs 8.4gms (complete).
The first photo is of the rear of the track, and the second photo shows the flaw on the forth upper track link from the front. I'd be interested to see if your type 1's exhibit the same mark.

Cheers,

Neil

[Porsche]

and the front.......

[deejay]

Hi Neil,

both of my type 1 badges have the marking you show. Thanks for adding this information - great picturs by the way - and regards.

Oh and just one other thing to this badge: I have never encountered a non magnetic type 1.

[Porsche]

Deejay,
thanks, did you notice the front upper wheel centre being off-centre?

Cheers,

Neil

[all1knew]

i only got one gold

Oh BOO HOO.



William Kramer

[Porsche]

The 'Salty' (apparently 'type 1') TDB/PVA posted is indeed magnetic.

[deejay]

Hi Neil,

both of my type 1 badges have the marking you show. Thanks for adding this information - great picturs by the way - and regards.

Oh and just one other thing to this badge: I have never encountered a non magnetic type 1.

Hi all,

doing a little research again I did come up with a interesting fact on the type one TDB. There is definate proof of a non-magnitic type. The so called Buntmetal version (copper or brass) and also a aluminium or zink type did or does exist. Thanks to collectors in Germany this questionable topic is now cleared up.

Shown in this picture a ground-dug type 1 TDB (Buntmetall) with a very rare picture of the rear! Thanks to Wotan of http://www.militaria-fundforum.de

[deejay]

And another of a different non rusting alloy

[deejay]

and another, probably the same version as the ground dug.

[LToms]

deejay,

Great work, keep the info coming.

Phil

[deejay]

Tank destruction badge (second type)

The TDB type 2 is easily recognized by a simple feature.
First notice how the flaws as seen on the type 1 are not visible, this 2nd type is of a better quallity, more acurate detail I mean.