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    #61
    You won't access the WASt for such informations, I think. First you won't personnaly access the documents (Datenschutzgesetz), and secondly many SS-Archives have been destroyed or lost at the end of the war. It is very rare that the WASt is able to help for former SS Mambers, even for a simple dog-tag...

    I don't know the Bundesarchiv in Berlin, but the BA-MA in Freiburg i.Br. n which is the most important federal german military archive: I am quite sure it is the same here, not easy to access such files without first fullfilling a file about 1) who you are 2) What are your researches 3) what is your final goal (write a Book, for an example...)
    Just having a look in the last german Cross in Gold proposals was not that easy for me.

    I have no Idea how it works at the Gedenkstaette in Dachau, but knowing Germany almost as good as a german citizen, I deeply doubt such informations are given to everybody.

    If you have a secret to access such files, you are very lucky. And if you want to share it with me via private messaging, I would be honoured.

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      #62
      Originally posted by Lionel H. View Post
      Sorry to see this Post goes again in the wrong direction. Post from Potsdam has been deleted, avoid using insults, if you want to stay here as a member. Thank you.
      Thanks, Mr Lionel. Beside it, he continues with his insults by PM.
      I dont know what kind of excuse interests does he have in saying some items that come from collections wich are respectable, like Hans Wikke, are fakes.

      he wrote:

      **** you, Ashole
      Even if the moderator has deleted my comment, for me you are still a fool on two legs and a complete idiot.

      So... I dont think this is the level of gentlemen on this board.

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        #63
        Potsdam , your behavior is unacceptable. Insulting and harassing members via pm is not tolerated here.


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        Last edited by naxos; 12-04-2018, 04:51 PM.

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          #64
          By chance - or not - I have no interest in such documents, that's not my area of collecting. I can imagine such are sometimes for sale and costs some $$... That's probably the reason this thread sometimes escalates in an unappropriate way, I am not completely naive.
          I am not "for" or "against" anybody, but read with avidity like many other here the contribution from experienced collectors in that matter, I am happy to learn. Every discussion in our common hobby must stay correct and civil, that's the point.
          I will of course pay attention to the elements you are mentioning concerning this PM and impose sanctions if proved.

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            #65
            Originally posted by Lionel H. View Post
            ... I can imagine such (documents) are sometimes for sale and costs some $$... That's probably the reason this thread sometimes escalates in an inappropriate way, I am not completely naive.
            right on the money

            This thread has little to do with historical research.

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              #66
              Originally posted by naxos View Post
              right on the money

              This thread has little to do with historical research.

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              I tend to agree, the other member just post his concernes - without any proof to embase his arguments and we have to believe that he have gone to official organs and did a research about every name on those ausweiss, and are all fake ones.

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                #67
                to summarize...

                1. Potsdam is too cheap to purchase an association membership in order to post his own images and has chosen to use willing proxies to do so. And yet has the means to purchase and own KZ Lager Ausweise?
                2. The only image posted by Potsdam thru a proxy is almost totally redacted and is not a Dachau Ausweis thus turning the debate into one of "apples and oranges".
                3. If Potsdam owns to be what he believes is a genuine Dachau Ausweis then he should post it unredacted side by side with any of the 5 others shown and make his argument that way.
                4. Postdam could have not checked the name of the Dachau Soldbuch and Ausweis set holder's name in the Federal Archives Berlin because the name of the holder is not shown on either document.
                5. If the five known examples shown are fakes then why would a forgery stop with just 5 when there is big money to be made.
                6. The moderators have chosen to turn a blind eye to the extreme amount of PM bullying that occurs. As a result, many of the most knowledgeable and expert collectors have told me they are no longer willing to post any opinions or share any knowledge on the forum in order to avoid the harassment. That is a loss for all members.
                7. And yes, I have skin in the game.
                Last edited by Ausweis; 12-05-2018, 12:56 PM. Reason: spelling

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                  #68
                  Originally posted by Ausweis View Post
                  to summarize...

                  1. Potsdam is too cheap to purchase an association membership in order to post his own images and has chosen to use willing proxies to do so. And yet has the means to purchase and own KZ Lager Ausweise?
                  2. The only image posted by Potsdam thru a proxy is almost totally redacted and is not a Dachau Ausweis thus turning the debate into one of "apples and oranges".
                  3. If Potsdam owns to be what he believes is a genuine Dachau Ausweis then he should post it unredacted side by side with any of the 5 others shown and make his argument that way.
                  4. Postdam could have not checked the name of the Dachau Soldbuch and Ausweis set holder's name in the Federal Archives Berlin because the name of the holder is not shown on either document.
                  5. If the five known examples shown are fakes then why would a forgery stop with just 5 when there is big money to be made.
                  6. The moderators have chosen to turn a blind eye to the extreme amount of PM bullying that occurs. As a result, many of the most knowledgeable and expert collectors have told me they are no longer willing to post any opinions or share any knowledge on the forum in order to avoid the harassment. That is a loss for all members.
                  7. And yes, I have skin in the game.
                  Perfect!

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                    #69
                    I see no reason to continue this thread. I was hoping it would turn out to be more factual than it has. I have no interest in KZ items but was hoping to learn something here.

                    As regards PM bullying.....I have not been made aware personally of any going on but I don't post much on here much either.....a lot of the good threads and people went years ago. With threads like this....no wonder no one wants to post their opinion.

                    SO...please bring the thread to life.....with factual evidence or don't bother and we can close it.

                    /Ian
                    Photos/images copyright © Ian Jewison collection

                    Collecting interests: Cavalry units, 1 Kavallerie/24 Panzer Division, Stukageschwader 1

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                      #70
                      Whaaat???

                      I'm sorry Ian but you must be looking at a different thread than the rest of us??

                      You can't get any better evidence than the genuine article which has been presented in abundance by some knowledgeable guys within the KZ document field and who have kindly shown parts of their collection.

                      What is lacking is any credible evidence presented by the person who started this thread? The suggestion by Potsdam that the initial posted ID was fake because of the breaks in the border lines was blown out of the water and he would not even answer questions on some of his other assertions. Now why is that??

                      Ausweis encapsulated the reasons why people don't post perfectly well however, he missed another reason and that is the censoring of perfectly reasonable posts by the moderators.

                      What is the point of spending precious time posting when it is removed or censored on the whim of a mod or because you end up banging heads with someone who is talking complete "bollox"?

                      I agree that many good people have left and I am not surprised, but it is the unnecessary censorship and amount of trolls on the forum that is responsible, not threads like this.

                      I am more than happy to eat crow and if someone can prove beyond reasonable doubt that these ID's are fake then I will quite happily bow down. Potsdam has not done this and his behaviour after the fact speaks volumes.

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                        #71
                        Originally posted by SiPo View Post
                        What is lacking is any credible evidence presented by the person who started this thread?
                        That's what I meant....with all the bullsh!t posts which are not necessary it takes the mind off the the thread, I was hoping for definitive proof, something that had been missing all these years!

                        I am ploughing through original allied intelligence reports at the moment to see if there is anything on these Ausweise but I am not going to hold my breath. I am sure I would have seen something in the past.

                        If a post holds detailed info that is essential to the thread it shouldn't be deleted....edited and kept perhaps....if it is pure bollox then it has no place here.

                        /Ian
                        Photos/images copyright © Ian Jewison collection

                        Collecting interests: Cavalry units, 1 Kavallerie/24 Panzer Division, Stukageschwader 1

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