Fake Dachau-Ausweise

[SiPo]

Nice one Michael

That Soldbuch set is fantastic.

Another interesting point is that Potsdam refers to the break in the frame lines only appearing on originals however, the first ID posted and called out by Potsdam as a fake does have the line breaks they are just difficult to see in the picture. They are a little more obvious when enlarged.

[SiPo]

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[Michael73]

Here are very high resolution photos of the frames - here is seen that these have line breakes exactly as SiPo refers, these frames were printed with old printing technik and absolutely period done.

[clevischi]

A couple more to add to the thread.

All stamped signatures, all missing SS numbers, all the same....


As Michael said, I think this should pretty much end any doubt about these.






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I could post a collection of KZ ausweis from anothers camps without SS numbers. Almost all ausweis with SS numbers in it are forgery. I can post exemples with stamped signatures too...

[clevischi]

Hi,
Member Potsdam was kind enough to email a picture of what he says is an example of an original ID.

I'd like to post it here on his behalf and allow him to explain what to look for in originals of these items.







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I have doubts in the originality of this one... would like to see more pictures... Its not an example i would have in my collection.

[clevischi]

Hello,
thanks for the upload. I have marked the significant places with arrows. With original identity cards one finds there clear interruptions of the line. The counterfeiters did not know that and therefore refrained from doing so.

BR
Potsdam

I really think you are trying to proove that your buchenwald ausweis is real, the forger that have done this one forgot about all the know examples ok KL ausweis is expedited by Lagerkommandant and not just kommandant, And seeing your images looks like a cheap impression...
The Karl-Otto Koch signature looks bad too...

[clevischi]

I will translate for member Potsdam:

Bewundern Sie diejenigen, die die Wahrheit suchen, laufen Sie jedoch vor denen, die behaupten, sie gefunden zu haben


Member Potsdam is well known among KZ material collectors. He uses to send quite bothering PMs to honest collectors and tell about his "special knowledge", calling their original material as "total c**p/fake" and so on. Now he also opens threads of similar content as we can see.


This KZ Dachau ausweis is 100% original and exteremely rare of course - I wonder why none said this as of yet - may be because not many ever had a chance to handle these..

Here is similar one from advanced US collection, it was already posted and approved here on this very forum - note identical characteristics:

I agree he is trying to say that a nice original one is bad. The one he posted is about 99% sure is a forgery.

[clevischi]

A couple more to add to the thread.

All stamped signatures, all missing SS numbers, all the same....


As Michael said, I think this should pretty much end any doubt about these.






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One of these ones is mine.

[clevischi]

Got approval to post these, so here we go - all known original examples in one post - Piorkowski signature is of course facsimile and identitacal everythere - together with Dachau Kommandatur stamp

This SB with Ausweis in mine too

[Potsdam]

Ausweise Dachau

This SB with Ausweis in mine too

So, now it is enough her wooden heads. Today I was in the Federal Archives Berlin and thoroughly checked all the names of these 'ID cards'. Not a single name is detectable there. Not even the one from the paybook. Thus, a genuineness is not detectable and thus the buyer must expect that the parts are counterfeits. I also did not discuss it anymore and even bet that nobody in the world is able to prove authenticity. Nobody!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[clevischi]

So, now it is enough her wooden heads. Today I was in the Federal Archives Berlin and thoroughly checked all the names of these 'ID cards'. Not a single name is detectable there. Not even the one from the paybook. Thus, a genuineness is not detectable and thus the buyer must expect that the parts are counterfeits. I also did not discuss it anymore and even bet that nobody in the world is able to prove authenticity. Nobody!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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So your word is law??

Now you got your 5 minutes of fame... let the adults have our conversation.

[JUNGCO]

Gentleman, let's not get in a pissing match!

[naxos]

Don't insult each other.

Today I was in the Federal Archives Berlin and thoroughly checked all the names of these 'ID cards'. Not a single name is detectable there. Not even the one from the paybook.

I think Potsdam's assertions deserve some research. At the least, an educated counter argument.



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[Lionel H.]

Sorry to see this Post goes again in the wrong direction. Post from Potsdam has been deleted, avoid using insults, if you want to stay here as a member. Thank you.

[Potsdam]

Don't insult each other.



I think Potsdam's assertions deserve some research. At the least, an educated counter argument.



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That's right. Nobody needs to look anymore in the Federal Archives Berlin (B.Arch. Berlin), because I was yesterday. Remain the German office (Deuschte Dienststelle or WASt) in Berlin and the memorial Dachau (Gedenkstätte Dachau). Let's go!!!!