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    #31
    Originally posted by Sonderkommando View Post
    With these Ausweis posted by Michael73, would the signature of Piorkowski be hand signed, or stamped onto the pass?
    Hello,
    After a comparison both signatures in the type and in the arrangement to the stamp 'SS-Sturmbannführer' are identical, thus probably a stamp. It is also noticeable that both ID cards are missing the SS number.

    BR
    Potsdam

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      #32
      Originally posted by Ian Jewison View Post
      FYI SiPo the comments were not directed at you but you seem to think it was....I am deleting most of your threads as they add no value.....however will keep your first bollox


      Regards
      Ian

      Ha, ha....fantastic! Thank you Ian.

      Nothing like the censorship and suppression of free speech to keep a thread moving eh? No worries as those forum members that know the truth of what is going on here probably read my posts before they were subjected to the good old "Nacht und Nebel" treatment.


      Please don't stop there though will you? Why not delete the "bollox" that was written in post #28 as that adds no value either other than to draw an inference that it was actually directed towards my use of "bollox" and which the posts you deleted where actually in defence to!

      Potsdam, to add a little value to this thread please explain further your load of "bollox" comment that no Ausweis were made of linien cloth post 1939?

      Personally I couldn't give a "bollox" that my posts were deleted and anyone who read them will know that there was absolutely nothing in them that would warrant being deleted. other than maybe pissing off a couple of Mod's? I also think that the interesting point in my now deleted post and which was first alluded to in Michael's earlier post regarding Potsdam contacting other collectors stating only he has the "knowledge" to tell them their original material is fake is of definite value to this thread.
      Last edited by SiPo; 11-09-2018, 11:44 AM. Reason: Added a little more "bollox"

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        #33
        Originally posted by SiPo View Post
        Ha, ha....fantastic! Thank you Ian.

        Nothing like the censorship and suppression of free speech to keep a thread moving eh? No worries as those forum members that know the truth of what is going on here probably read my posts before they were subjected to the good old "Nacht und Nebel" treatment.


        Please don't stop there though will you? Why not delete the "bollox" that was written in post #28 as that adds no value either other than to draw an inference that it was actually directed towards my use of "bollox" and which the posts you deleted where actually in defence to!

        Potsdam, to add a little value to this thread please explain further your load of "bollox" comment that no Ausweis were made of linien cloth post 1939?

        Personally I couldn't give a "bollox" that my posts were deleted and anyone who read them will know that there was absolutely nothing in them that would warrant being deleted. other than maybe pissing off a couple of Mod's? I also think that the interesting point in my now deleted post and which was first alluded to in Michael's earlier post regarding Potsdam contacting other collectors stating only he has the "knowledge" to tell them their original material is fake is of definite value to this thread.
        So from me buy this card. I do not feel like I just deal with the part and read your frustration here. This bores me.

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          #34
          I'm far from an expert in KZ IDs so please correct me if I'm wrong but this is imo a very good Point made by member Podsdam.

          Both signatures do look exactly to be the same. They are even in the exact same place on both ID Cards.

          Look at the places where the signatue is crossing the lettering of the ID Card.

          Even when doing the signature by stamping this would be near impossible to get the stamp in the exact same Position on both documents.....



          Originally posted by Potsdam View Post
          Hello,
          After a comparison both signatures in the type and in the arrangement to the stamp 'SS-Sturmbannführer' are identical, thus probably a stamp. It is also noticeable that both ID cards are missing the SS number.

          BR
          Potsdam
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            #35
            As stated in both posts that were deleted, I do not have one of these Ausweise, I have never had one of these and I never will so no, I will not buy it.

            Potsdam I may bore you and indeed I may bore lots of forum members here but please humour this boring old fart and expand on the following comments.....

            Originally posted by Sonderkommando View Post
            2. The card is a fake because:
            a. from 1939 no passes were issued from Texitil material more.
            b. ….from 1939 always only made of cardboard - features that the forgers do not know, but I do..

            As others have stated on this thread they want to learn more and seeing as you make a bold statement such as …..

            Originally posted by Sonderkommando View Post
            Conclusion: ...…..The work itself is quite good and therefore contains only errors that only an absolute professional can see. ….. I am able to recognize every fake.
            You are obviously the go to guy so please don't let me bore you into silence, and explain your points 2 a, b above?

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              #36
              Sorry to be a bore but I see the signature in a slightly different position and therefore not identical.

              Please don't get me wrong I have no dog in this fight I just want proof from Potsdam to back up the "bollox" he posted in his 2a, b comment.
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              Last edited by SiPo; 11-09-2018, 02:38 PM.

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                #37
                This was the reason I asked earlier if the signatures are hand signed or stamped on these I.D.'s.
                Those two signatures are IDENTICAL!
                I made an overlay with an animated GIF to prove it.
                The spacing, formation, construction, height, and width are IDENTICAL on both signatures.

                Please click the link below to see what I mean, and you will see that the signatures appear to be a stamp rather than hand signed.


                https://ibb.co/hc6fXq





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                  #38
                  Not disputing the signature, disputing your claim they are the exact identical location on both cards which they are not.

                  Still waiting proof no cards after 1939 were made of linien cloth.

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                    #39
                    Not my claim that they're in the same position, there's a millimetre or two difference which makes me think they're a stamp rather than a signature.

                    To me I would have thought they should be hand signed.

                    I think that it's important to know, because if they're stamped signatures then all others should have the exact same signature. If they're meant to be hand signed, then the fact the two signatures are identical means they've been done with a stamp which raises concern.


                    (Just to clarify something, I only translated Potsdams words into english for the benefit of this thread...I didn't actually make the claims SiPo keeps quoting me with)









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                    Last edited by Sonderkommando; 11-10-2018, 03:46 AM.

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                      #40
                      I would expect a signature done with period ink in handwriting. I have never seen a period SS ID Card with a stamped signature on it - have you?

                      One of the 2 ID Cards is showing ink in a blue Color which might be correct for a handwritten signature. The other ID Card has a more purple Color when looking at the ink of the signature - this might be because the lettering was made with a Printer or any other modern Technology to copy such a thing.

                      I think one of the 2 shown ID Cards was scanned to make a copy ID Card.

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                        #41
                        Here you can see that both ID Cards do Show the same folding line and other small signs of use in the same places where the Basic material of the ID Card is getting White.

                        Strange isn't it? Another sign that at least one of the 2 ID Cards was copied from the other one.....
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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Sonderkommando View Post
                          Not my claim
                          Apologies.



                          Originally posted by Sonderkommando View Post
                          (Just to clarify something, I only translated Potsdams words into english for the benefit of this thread...I didn't actually make the claims SiPo keeps quoting me with)
                          .
                          It's Potsdam I'm referring to not you.

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                            #43
                            Got approval to post these, so here we go - all known original examples in one post - Piorkowski signature is of course facsimile and identitacal everythere - together with Dachau Kommandatur stamp
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                              #44
                              I hope this closes "Fake Dachau-Ausweise" issue
                              Thanks
                              Michael

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                                #45
                                A couple more to add to the thread.

                                All stamped signatures, all missing SS numbers, all the same....


                                As Michael said, I think this should pretty much end any doubt about these.






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                                Last edited by Sonderkommando; 11-11-2018, 08:30 AM.

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