Sardinienschild award doc. & Tiger Soldbuch / Wehrpaß

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Maybe I´m wrong, but please compare the stamps (especially note the "Oberleutnant u. Komp.=Führer"), handwriting & ink color on this E-stand Sardinienschild award document : Click!
with fake Tiger Wehrpaß stamps & handwritting & ink color in this older thread (Post#24):Click!

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Note the atypical font (cursive /italics), which, although used on period documents, is very uncommon. And here is a 100% similarity between both"Oberleutnant" stamps...

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full view:

[Nordmark]

Hi,


it would have been a nice gesture to inform me regarding this thread. I am the seller of this piece, I just informed the potential buyer (lay away) that the award doc is open for discussion.

If more pictures or other details of the award doc are needed, please send me a pm or post in this thread. I will answer immediately.


Regards,


Daniel

[Nordmark]

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[Nordmark]

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[Simon O.]

An observation. Kompanie führer was a temporary appointment or at least intendend as such, Kompanie chef being the permanent appointment title. A stamp like that is far from common and i think its highly unusual to see it used be two totally different units in this manner. How does it compare to other known examples?

[Ian Jewison]

One thing that does stand out to me for this document is the use of both FP Nr. stamp and unit stamps. The ones I have always seen in the past only had the FP Nr. stamp.

A quick search of the forum and a google search also appears to confirm that.

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...rchid=11817050

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Sa...h=625#imgdii=_

/Ian

[Nordmark]

Hi guys,


the problem is, that these pieces are quite scarce, so finding a matching counterpart won´t be that easy. If officer XX did the award doc one day, it won´t mean that officer XY did it the same way five days later.
I would also say that the stamp of the fake Tiger Wehrpass and the stamp of the shield are not 100% identical (but of course I see some differences, I´m the owner... )

All I can say is, the doc is old, the smell is typical, the stains are as well and the wear pattern looks like it was indeed stuck in the Wehrpass/Soldbook bag.


Regards,


Daniel

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I would also say that the stamp of the fake Tiger Wehrpass and the stamp of the shield are not 100% identical (but of course I see some differences, I´m the owner... )

Disagree,
please note again:
the "Oberleutnant" stamp (like all other) in the "Tiger" Wehrpass is unquestionable a 100% fake - and the "Oberleutnant" stamp on the Sardinienschild document is 100% EXACTLY the same ... (same size, used italics letter font, spaces between letters...) no doubts...


But of course - it can be only a coincidence...

[Nordmark]

But of course - it can be only a coincidence...

This is something I would rather not believe.


I will post some better shots of the stamp in question tomorrow. With the original in hand, I think there might be clear differences in the two stamps.


-the last "r" in Führer looks different

-the "=" has a different angle, on the Wehrpass it is almost parallel-horizontal while on the Sardinia doc it has a raise

-the dots after the "u." have different spaces

-the "o" of Komp. has a different shape and is smaller on the Sardinia doc


I don´t know if these variations can be explained through different ink or pressure but the stamps don´t look alike to me.


Regards,


Daniel

[SJP]

Hi Daniel, K is quite correct (imho). These originate from Gerrmany and are all high

end fakes.One thing i have see with yours is improvement w/ the FP stamp.

I had the WP K posted given to at the SOS a few years back to compare to another

TK Pz grp ,excellent forged signatures, other than what K has pointed out the key to

these are the stamps. These grp's can be found from most elite units.

W.Schneider's "Totenkopf Tigers" has another one these fake WP's shown.

I too wanted to "believe" but.............
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Cheers Steve

[Nordmark]

Hi guys,


I showed this to a dealer a few days back, and he said absolutely orignal without a doubt. The source was also pretty good. I just can´t imagine why, when this is a high end fake, anybody would concentrate on these low end items. Wouldn´t it be smarter to fake something "bigger" to gain more profit?


Regards,


Daniel

[SJP]

I think these are pretty rare documents.How do you think this one compares to yours ?

http://www.thirdreichmedals.com/sardinia.html

I found another done in the same format
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Cheers Steve

[Simon O.]

Hi guys,


I showed this to a dealer a few days back, and he said absolutely orignal without a doubt. The source was also pretty good. I just can´t imagine why, when this is a high end fake, anybody would concentrate on these low end items. Wouldn´t it be smarter to fake something "bigger" to gain more profit?


Regards,


Daniel

Firstly, as we know, everything is faked and much lower value items than this are routinely faked.

Secondly, it's far better to fake a lower value item than a big value one, it draws less attention.