EK2 L/12 on the ring ,

[boch_62]

As curiosities, two more "L/12" signatures on the ring, according to me, incorrect ...

Jarek

[sanya13]

Hí my friend because two different surface


Than wrote """" of course not total same ,because the one mm have straight and the other a vaulted surface"""

on the ring just " partial"


and always THX your opinion

[sanya13]

yes I agree with you these ot good
such piece was on the Mil321 too& a Auctions House on side too the price was 1100€

As curiosities, two more "L/12" signatures on the ring, according to me, incorrect ...

Jarek

[Douglas 5]

Having studied L/12 marks --- these 2 are original Juncker marks - type 1 .

Type 1 : 1 and 2 have ' upstrokes ' starting at the same spot .
Type 2 : 1 and 2 have ' upstrokes ' -not- starting at the same spot !
The different surfaces - flat and curved - give different appearances - --

Douglas

Below types in detail .

[Douglas 5]

Jarek .
The other one has a bad mark - to the left of this one .
Do you had a full picture of this one ?

Douglas

[Douglas 5]

There are many fake L/12 marks : some are close and some are not ;
This one is an attempt to copy this one .

Douglas

[sanya13]

Thx your oppinion

[sanya13]

Hí Douglas
here is a other pictures about a full W&L type with mm L/12 on the frame (unfortunately the full front picture missing to me)
the pictures not the best ,because the resolution low

Jarek .
The other one has a bad mark - to the left of this one .
Do you had a full picture of this one ?

Douglas

[sanya13]

and IMO more mm L/12 exist ,because on the EK1 crosses the marked mark size bigger ,than on the EK2 and that you said different form too.
For me have more Juncker mm type and I now bought a nice collection from a old collector and have in some Juncker type with envelope
I will made pictures when arrive to me

[boch_62]

Jarek .
The other one has a bad mark - to the left of this one .
Do you had a full picture of this one ?

Douglas

Sorry Douglas, I have not of full picure - only signatur.

But in this photo below I do not like the non-parallelism of the marked lines.
As if the signature was studded twice ...

Jarek

[Douglas 5]

The L/12 marks are good --> but on both we have - incomplete - L/12 strike !
Not only is the ring round and also curved - so is the L/12 mark actually too big and on a straight axis .
A problem makers with a 3 digit maker number had encountered .
The only way to get around this is to make the number smaller, arch the numbers and or box the numbers .

Douglas

[sanya13]

I agree with Douglas,
Not only is the ring round and also curved

Sorry Douglas, I have not of full picure - only signatur.

But in this photo below I do not like the non-parallelism of the marked lines.
As if the signature was studded twice ...

Jarek

[boch_62]

Hi Douglas

I understand what you mean, but these are not good examples - the L / 54 arcuate sign has nothing to do with inaccurate hit or double beat of the signature.
I remain with my opinion, this signature L / 12 I do not like.

Regards
Jarek

[sanya13]

Hí Jarek

some example

L/16

Hi Douglas

I understand what you mean, but these are not good examples - the L / 54 arcuate sign has nothing to do with inaccurate hit or double beat of the signature.
I remain with my opinion, this signature L / 12 I do not like.

Regards
Jarek

[sanya13]

EK1 straight surface on the back of the cross
but the ring arched