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    EK2 Fur Raub und Mord.Need Your opinion

    Hi everyone, i heard it's propaganda pieces made by russians, what do You think about this piece could it be real one?
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    In my opinion it is ok, these medals are somewhat controversial, do a search on their forum. But I like them, mine is the same...

    I would like to find a EK1 RuM...

    Enjoy the hobby, Keith

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      #3
      IMO good but repainted ...

      (sorry, not my pictures)

      Regards
      Jarek
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        #4
        Thank You for your opinions, it sounds promising ek1 RuM... i've seen that only on this forum...

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          #5
          I still don't believe these ek's are wartime made.

          If you're under siege, wasting time and resources on "propaganda-crosses" makes no sense at all.
          And especially no 3- piece ek's.

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            #6
            You underestimate tyrany and totalitarism, there's nO place for logic, however You're right there is no evidence they are genuine pieces but there's no evidence to prove they are fake...that's quite interesting history with these crosses even authorities have problem how to qualify them.

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              #7
              If you have money to burn, everything is good.....

              Chet
              Zinc stinks!

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                #8
                Propaganda/fantasy piece...I found this one on another forum..
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                  Backside
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                    Another
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                      Russian paper
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                        #12
                        I dont believe these are wartime i think they are immediate post war pieces as stated before....even if they found boxes of originals or original pieces, changing the "1939" into "1941" would not be easy, meaning these were manufactured just the way they are, not manipulated from "1939" eks...and i just dont see making propaganda pieces this elaborate during what was going on around them. Just my 2 cents.

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                          Originally posted by _THULE_ View Post
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                          there is no evidence they are genuine pieces but there's no evidence to prove they are fake...that's quite interesting history with these crosses even authorities have problem how to qualify them.
                          I'd say if there's zero evidence they're genuine, that's extremely convincing evidence they are fake. As of yet they turn up as single pieces here or there. Never in a grouping (that I'm aware of, correct me if I'm wrong), or with any scrap of truly reliable evidence.

                          From what little I know of the Russian front, the Russians had trouble producing enough guns (rifles, etc.) to arm their troops. Why would they waste resources for these few pieces of junk?

                          Just my opinions/thoughts.

                          Hank
                          Unless it was nighttime, or the weather was bad, and you were running out of gas - then it was a sweaty nightmare, like a monkey f*ing a skunk.
                          ~ Dan Hampton, Viper Pilot

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                            Originally posted by ben bijker View Post
                            I still don't believe these ek's are wartime made.
                            I agree.

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                              I inform all colleagues that in 2014 in the Central archive of the Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation, discovered documents of the war years, clearly confirming the fact of production by the political Directorate of the Leningrad front, Iron cross (called the "agitmaterialy") and containing recommendations on expanding the "orders" of the enemy forces. Yes, "catalog, or price list", and even more photographs not represented and is not known EXACTLY looked like crosses. But now it is known that such crosses were.......

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