EkI a good (friedrich orth) iron cross?

[Blackopps]

Hi again, Here is a much better photo of the back of the hinge.

And please can you show me the "stopping post in the pin head & hinge" for my future reference.
Thanks again. Blackopps

[Eklipse]

Thanks again for the pics.
To me, looking at the wrong position, the wear of the hinge and the irregular solder view as a whole, I think the soldering in the hinge broke and then was resoldered in a wrong position; this is not an esay job without damaging the cross...it is only my opinion, of course.
On the other hand, it seems a rare Schenkl first class iron cross, somewhat polemic as this maker wasn't authorized to build first class iron crosses.

[Eklipse]

The most usual position of the hinge bar was flat (let's see Orth production).
Sometimes the hinge was vertical, and then a "stopping post" was needed. In most of the cases it was build as part of the pin's head (for example, you can see it as a small flap under the pin's head in the Walter & Henlein production from Gablonz, or in the Souval postwar iron crosses with the bended-and-soldered iron pin and later with S&L frame and the round wire one-piece bended pin), but in rare cases it was buid in the own hinge or soldered to it (this is the case of the "24" marked iron crosses from Arbeitsgemeinschaft de Hanauer Plakettenhersteller, if you check the pics in a database you'll see it clearly).
Many maker used both systems during their whole production.
I hope it helps you.

Hi again, Here is a much better photo of the back of the hinge.

And please can you show me the "stopping post in the pin head & hinge" for my future reference.
Thanks again. Blackopps

[Eklipse]

If you look at a safety pin you'll understand the purpose of this device: the "stopping post" acts as the spring in the safety pin, providing tension to avoid the pin leaves the catch.

[Eklipse]

When the hinge was positioned flat, this device was not necessary, as the own hinge bar acts as an stopping post providing tension to the pin after its end entered in the catch.

[Eklipse]

During ww1 and interwars period there was a great experimentation in fixing devices for the badges, but during ww2 only some very early examples are different than the standard solution, a machined bar hinge that can be soldered in two positions:
Flat hinge: no "stopping post" needed, so the pin or needle construction is easier.
Vertical hinge: more surface for soldering and so more strong design, but more complicated pin construction.

[Blackopps]

Hello, I believe this is the "stopping post" for this pin setup.


And it stops the pin just here. Blackopps

[Eklipse]

That end does not tension the pin in the catch...remember the safety pin example.

[ben bijker]

Schenkl (Anton or Maria), from Wien too as Souval and Orth, wasn't maker of Ek1s, only Ek2s.

But they sold cores to other makers to be used in ek1.

[Douglas 5]

Ben is correct .... outsourcing .

Douglas

[Eklipse]

Ben is correct .... outsourcing .

Douglas

Yes...the physical evidence shows it was very common in Wien, parts from different sources was used in EK production...with the unmarked ones, sometimes it's impossible to know the maker.

[Blackopps]

"sometimes it's impossible to know the maker."

Thanks for trying. Blackopps