Juncker variations?

[Dansson]

How would you arrange the Junckers if it would be according rarity? I have personaly only seen a few Junckers during my short collecting career and have no idea of rarity in these variations.

Daniel

[sanya13]

Hí Trevor
I not saw in the list these two piece
These were left out?

1.- long flaw frame (mag., "small RK" core) long flaw runs down the 7 o'clock arm beading strand
2. - small frame ( dimensions about 43,5x43,5mm mag )

If someone has a photo of no. 8 I would be very happy to see it.

If not, I think the list should be revised as follows:

1. WFS frame (Wide Frame Schinkel) + non magnetic WFS core
2. WFS frame + magnetic WFS core
3. crunch bead frame + non magnetic WFS core
4. crunch bead frame + magnetic Teardrop “9” core (so called: Full Juncker)
5. crunch bead frame + magnetic W&L core
6. crunch bead frame, marked L/12 on frame + magnetic Teardrop “9” core
7. crunch bead frame, marked L/12 on frame + magnetic L/12-core
8. common L/12 frame, marked L/12 on frame + magnetic L/12-core
9. common L/12 frame, unmarked + magnetic L/12-core
10. Full W&L cross (frame, core), marked L/12

If no. 8 on the previous list does exist, then the list should be:

1. WFS frame (Wide Frame Schinkel) + non magnetic WFS core
2. WFS frame + magnetic WFS core
3. crunch bead frame + non magnetic WFS core
4. crunch bead frame + magnetic Teardrop “9” core (so called: Full Juncker)
5. crunch bead frame + magnetic W&L core
6. crunch bead frame, marked L/12 on frame + magnetic Teardrop “9” core
7. crunch bead frame, marked L/12 on frame + magnetic L/12-core
8. common L/12 frame, marked L/12 on frame + magnetic L/12-core
9. common L/12 frame, marked L/12 on frame + magnetic Teardrop “9” core
10. common L/12 frame, unmarked + magnetic L/12-core
11. Full W&L cross (frame, core), marked L/12

[streptile]

Hí Trevor, I not saw in the list these two piece. These were left out?
1.- long flaw frame (mag., "small RK" core) long flaw runs down the 7 o'clock arm beading strand
2. - small frame ( dimensions about 43,5x43,5mm mag )

Hi Sanya,

Yes, those were left out. In my current opinion these were not made by Juncker, but by a company with some contracts with or other connection to C.E. Juncker.

[Douglas 5]

Sanya .... do you have a picture of the small frame ?

Douglas

[Eryk]

Pictures of my cross - small frame

[Eryk]

pics

[Eryk]

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[Douglas 5]

Thanks Eryk ..... don't think I have that one .

Douglas

[sanya13]

Hí Douglas
sorry ,but I do not have this the type ,but Maciej put up now


if I good remember, I think this the piece too Maciej cross

[Douglas 5]

Thanks Sanya .... not sure where to put that one yet .
The long flaw does belong in the list and is a Juncker product .

Douglas

[boch_62]

Thanks Sanya .... not sure where to put that one yet .
The long flaw does belong in the list and is a Juncker product .

Douglas

Hi Douglas,

LONG FLaw Frame is from a Maker from Berlin associated with Juncker... but not a Juncker product.

http://184.172.36.50/forums/showthread.php?t=798127

Jarek

[Douglas 5]

Jarek - Redoing a lot of pictures after getting the long flaw from Ben who was kind enough to let me have . Been working on them for a while .
Juncker all the way .

Douglas

[sanya13]

Hí Douglas ,Trevor and Jarek

then these two pieces not made Juncker ,

it is not possible that the two cross same,
only one piece was made later
and the die (tool) was worn,because of the flaw of the frame is smaller?
very very similar to

now then how look like a good and exact list EK1 and EK2
can you someone help to me ?

[Douglas 5]

Yes Sanya .... There is a lot more to these than meets the eye . A mazing details I found doing the core study . The wide and narrow mouth frames are in part the reason for so many different cores .
These 2 frame types started with the one piece and can be found as 39 EK1s and EK2s . Using the correct Juncker frame die you can make a match ! Off to work now .

Douglas

[boch_62]

Jarek - Redoing a lot of pictures after getting the long flaw from Ben who was kind enough to let me have . Been working on them for a while .
Juncker all the way .

Douglas

Hi Douglas,

Let's try to calmly come to a consensus
Which of the following Juncker's crosses You think is analogous to the cross Long Flaw Frame ?

C.E. Juncker (2=L/12)
1. WFS frame (Wide Frame Schinkel) + non magnetic WFS core
2. WFS frame + magnetic WFS core
3. crunch bead frame + non magnetic WFS core
4. crunch bead frame + magnetic Teardrop “9” core (so called: Full Juncker)
5. crunch bead frame + magnetic W&L core
6. crunch bead frame, marked L/12 on frame + magnetic Teardrop “9” core
7. crunch bead frame, marked L/12 on frame + magnetic L/12-core
8. common L/12 frame, marked L/12 on frame + magnetic L/12-core
9. common L/12 frame, marked L/12 on frame + magnetic Teardrop “9” core
10. common L/12 frame, unmarked + magnetic L/12-core
11. full W&L cross (frame, core), marked L/12

I have in my collection 8 juncker's crosses EK2 and 2 crosses Long Flaw Frame, and plenty of good pictures in my database ... I'll try to compare ...

Regards
Jarek