S&L SC in silber

[Legion Condor]

This is not true.

Why not? Do you have other pieces. I do not.

Dan show and let me learn.

[Leroy]

A couple more.

[Legion Condor]

These are photos taken just a few minutes ago by me of a cross obtained directly by me from an American combat vet at least 30 years ago. That may not mean anything, but you can see it is only marked "4" and has NO "head error". In an earlier post, you said you cannot find a Bronze grade S&L SK without the "4".

Thank You!

I think it was just forgot the L / 16 to stamps. It is a specific example. At least I've never seen a piece without L / 16 in a group.

Are people who have worked at S & L. Also they have once made a mistake.

Another possibility which makes it a piece After War is where the head was not error.

Good but even with these pieces that here again the eagle is seen first model.

[Norm F]

Interesting, if there's no such thing as an unmarked S&L Spanish Cross then that must mean that S&L never made a Spanish Cross prior to July, 1940.

Best regards,
---Norm

[Legion Condor]

Interesting, if there's no such thing as an unmarked S&L Spanish Cross then that must mean that S&L never made a Spanish Cross prior to July, 1940.

Best regards,
---Norm

Hi Norm,

this opinion I have.

S & L has in my opinion no pieces are produced for the ceremony.

Gruß LC

Hansgünter

[Leroy]

Here is what is really interesting:

Hansgünter indicates that you cannot find a Bronze grade S&L SK without the "4" marking.

S&L's last catalog is believed to have been in preparation in the latter part of 1940
and actually published in 1941 (coinciding with the assignment to it in March, 1941 of the LDO number "L/16", which is announced in the catalog). Very nicely illustrated in the catalog is the accepted version of the S&L SK, which is offered in Bronze, Silver and Gold ("vergoldet") versions. (The Bronze grade looks to be the one illustrated.)

If ALL bronze S&L SK's have the "4" designation, and the Bronze was advertised in the first quarter of 1941, with an illustration, does this mean PKZ numbers were already assigned by early 1941?

[Norm F]

Interesting, if there's no such thing as an unmarked S&L Spanish Cross then that must mean that S&L never made a Spanish Cross prior to July, 1940.

Best regards,
---Norm

My mistake. The LDO was founded in July, 1940 but the LDO numbers didn't come out until March, 1941. So if there's no such thing as a non-LDO marked S&L (aside from Gentry's anomaly ) then S&L wasn't making Spanish Crosses before March, 1941.

Here is what is really interesting:

Hansgünter indicates that you cannot find a Bronze grade S&L SK without the "4" marking.

If ALL bronze S&L SK's have the "4" designation, and the Bronze was advertised in the first quarter of 1941, with an illustration, does this mean PKZ numbers were already assigned by early 1941?

Did Hans Günter say that somewhere? But this bronze example has no "4" mark so that's not the case. It's the same setup as the S&L Tombak U-Boat badge. Mind you, if these bronze examples without the "4" mark are exceedingly rare than perhaps it means the PK numbers followed very shortly afterwards?

Best regards,
---Norm

[Leroy]

Norm - Read Post 82.

You'll have to ask Hansgünter about the Bronze w/o swords you show.

[Legion Condor]

Hello,

this is a translation error by me in the post 82nd

I wanted to say that there is only war original pieces with 4 and L / 16 Hallmark. Or only with L / 16 Hallmark.

And I have not seen any original pieces of war, which is hallmarked with only 4.

Gruß LC

German:

Hallo,

das ist ein Übersetzungsfehler von mir im Beitrag 82.

Ich wollte sagen, dass es nur originale Kriegstücke mit 4 und L/16 Punze gibt. Oder nur mit L/16 Punze.

Und das ich noch kein original Kriegstücke gesehen habe, das nur mit 4 gepunzt ist.

[Leroy]

This fits very neatly now with Dietrich's concern about SK's marked with only "4". What a shame that a piece like this will be thought to be fake by those who read this.

[Legion Condor]

Hey Leroy,

I think this is not a fake. This will be an exception, the only way is to a piece of 4.

The pieces with only 4 of which are not so rare to have a stationary needle book, and are not as nice from the surface and have almost always head failure.

I mean it was just forgot the punch L / 16 or beat the play was only for the window display or other decoration.

There is always an exception and we learn something new every day. S & L is still a lot of new point-and for many words be good for us.

An exception always proves the rule!

Gruß LC

Hansgünter

[Legion Condor]

Maybe even a piece of the bridging period of PKZ and LDO.

[Leroy]

I think this is not a fake...

Thank you, Hansgünter!

It is important for people to realize that not everything is automatically fake or to be regarded badly.

[Leroy]

From an e-mail just now from Hansgünter.

Postwar pieces with just the "4" have, in his experience:

1.) An upright hinge
2.) Finish that is not as good as wartime pieces
3.) Almost always the "head error"

[Legion Condor]

Hey Leroy,

it is not always easy for me to find the right technical words. But just as I mean it!

The piece is what you show quite different from the quality of the pieces as I showed. Big difference.

Greeting LC

Hans Günter