Klein & Quenzer A.G.

[Sebastian Bianchi]

I won't rehash them all, unless it's uselful somehow, but here's the clear "uneven bottom".

[tom hansen]

If everyone who has a K&Q could check out that metal "squiggle" between the 28th and 29th bead on the 9 0clock arm, upper rim near the the corner. That is a small amount of metal that I would expect to fade with increased use of the die.

Some things to think about

1. Even if there were restrikes, they would have the same flaws, as they are the same dies, but some of the flaws may be muted.

2. The weights of early to late junckers vary in weight (with the same dies and frames) which has to be the result of differences in the core. I would think fakers/restikers would have a hard time reproducing the core exactly resulting in possibly a different weight of the cross.

3. A worn cross will have evidence of wear on the ring from contact with the loop. I doubt restrikes or post war pieces would have been worn, nor would anyone think to apply wear to this area. Some of the worn crosses I have also have more wear on the reverse beading, presumably from contact and friction with the wearer.

4. Paint composition, in contrast to what others have said here, does change with regard to trace metals added. The GLARING difference between old paint and modern paint will be the presence/absence of lead and cadmium. This may not help to distinguish between wartime and 57, but will certainly tell the difference between wartime and the mid 80s.

[Dietrich Maerz]

So the first question goes to Harry: Does the 57 K&Q have all the same flaws and features?


Dietrich

[Dave Kane]

I tripped over these pics while having a look around.....

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[tom hansen]

You can see three of the flaws I have outlined on these crosses. There is not the camera angle or detail to see a few others.

[Dave Kane]

Tom, pull them and mark them please...I don't have the 'eye' for them yet!

[tom hansen]

Here they are, Dave

[tom hansen]

second ones- "split beads on beads 6,7,8,9, and 10"

[tom hansen]

flaw on beads 11 and 13 from the top

[Dave Kane]

Thanks Tom!


Doesn't this give the impression that the original design MEANT for a larger voided area??

[Sebastian Bianchi]

second ones- "split beads on beads 6,7,8,9, and 10"

I can these on my cross, but you must have a good eye or big monitor to see them there!