Kc by Meybauer

[jujuy]

here is the reverse of the round one

[Dietrich Maerz]

Hello Philippe,


now that is a beautifull Rounder (Meybauer!?!). What is amazing to me is not so much the "7" which could be applied later, the loop could be switched or what have you. What is convoncing is the frosting. I do not know of any "fakers' out there that did a convincing job on the frosting, if at all frosting was applied. This is another indication of the real thing.

If you could please, send me some high resoulution pictures of the cross and the loop in addition to the ones you did send already.

I don't want to open an new discussion about this cross type since for me the case is settled already. Originality is not a question of "public opinion" it's a question of facts, like quality, consistency, and even provenance. And this cross (and the other Rounders) speak all for themselves, it's that easy.

Dietrich

[Harry]

I was wondering about the frosting and you dentists out there will know what I am on about next. There is an air abrasion system for 'sandblasing' - on a microscopic level - the surfaces of precious metals. These gadgets have been refined so as to deliver a very fine accuracy so that the area to be blasted can be very small and it can be done with accuracy. It uses aluminum oxide particals mixed with compressed air in a fine stream to give a matte effect on precious metals such as gold etc. Now I am wondering whether it would be possible to use one of these instruments on a silver content beading to give a frosted appearance???

[RoyA]

Lawrence,

I think, in KC terms, a 'rounder' is a descripive phrase used to describe a KC which has rounded internal corners on the beading butting up to the swas. I am happy to be corrected if wrong.

Best,

Rounder = a specific type purported to be Meybauer (as opposed to round corners on other makes due to aggressive finishing).

By the way....where's Dave?

Roy

[Dave Kane]

Don't start Roy!!!! My crystal ball tells me we will see a few more '7s' in the comming months...

Interesting that this 'rounder' has a very long appearing loop as opposed to the visually 'stubbier' loops the other examples exhibit

[Dietrich Maerz]

I hate to say it (in this context ), but Dave is right with the loop. It does not look like the typical "Rounder" loop. And as I said before, the "7" on the loop say nothing at all. You could not make a Souval a K&Q by switching loops. Fact is, that this cross is a Rounder and it might very well be that the loop was attached later or even marked later with a "7", based on discussion on this forum. Does that make the cross itself bad? or good? I don't think so.

Dietrich

[RoyA]

Dave is right.

Dave...better print this fast

[George Stimson]

Are the loops of RKs by other manufacturers fairly standardized as to length?

[Dietrich Maerz]

Dave...better print this fast

You are quoting me out of context ....

Dietrich

[Dave Kane]

Roy...I captured it and printed it already!!!!


George.....19mm with a little 'wiggle room' is about standard on Juncker and S&L.

I don't have the stats on K&Q and I suspect that Zimmermann would not be in the equation.

[jujuy]

Harry,

I know what sandblasting is, but IMHO frosting on KC is much more an oxidating process than an abrasion. When you have this cross in your hand it speaks itself.
Philippe

I was wondering about the frosting and you dentists out there will know what I am on about next. There is an air abrasion system for 'sandblasing' - on a microscopic level - the surfaces of precious metals. These gadgets have been refined so as to deliver a very fine accuracy so that the area to be blasted can be very small and it can be done with accuracy. It uses aluminum oxide particals mixed with compressed air in a fine stream to give a matte effect on precious metals such as gold etc. Now I am wondering whether it would be possible to use one of these instruments on a silver content beading to give a frosted appearance???

[Ludwig]

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If a faker was able to produce a cross of such high quality as this obviously is, why would he choose a design son controversial? I guess that the fakers read this page too.
Even if I personally think that this cross is OK (I guess some will hate me now! – that´s the level some individuals attending this homepage crawl around at), I would never buy one just because I know I would have trouble selling it in the future. Just like the S & L crosses with die flaws (forgive me! – don´t mention the flaws!).
In Gordon´s book there is a swords set marked L/13, so Maybauer were in to high decorations too. Perhaps they realized that there were enough producers and only produced a small quantity before they stopped?

[StefanK.]

if you are a "real" collector it is irrelevant wether you can resell your collection piece or not because as a collector you should like your collectibles for other reaons but for making profit of them in the future.

if youre really a collector you will often aquire things that are much more expensive as they should be but you aquire them because you like this special piece.

so with the rounder. i have a round cornerd kc in my collection. i have never posted it directly but my piece was one of the most discussed crosses in the forum (dietrich knows what i mean )

i am glad to own one, and will never going to sell it just for making profit. i have spent much money on it an maybe noone would pay that amount i have paid.

if someone would sell a round cornered kc for a fairly good price i would immediately take it although i know that i can maybe never resell it.

as a collector you should like your individual piece and should not think of making profits.

i think all owners of this beautiful "variant" of the kc are of the same opinion as me.

stefan

[Ludwig]

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I am not talking about making profit!

But one day you might loose interest or find an expensive item you so badly want, that you HAVE to sell something in your collection.

[tom hansen]

Why would they choose an unknown maker to fake? Becaue if they chose, say a juncker, there are so MANY subtle die flaws on those crosses that they would be impossible to fake, even if they got the biggies right. Exam under magnification would reveal a fake. I would think they would have better chances of passing off an "unkown" to which there are no comparison examples.