First "Honest" Sale Of A K&Q Ritterkreuz?

[gepunzt800]

Hallo, I also tried to buy it, for me it's an orginal K&Q frame and loop, i only wondered about the core and the damages. I think, a good deal.

[FrankS]

The frame looks to be original.

There is some damage on the front side ribbing of the frame - maybe from removing the swastika?

Maybe the frame was opened and the core was replaced?

[Luftm40]

OK, let's be honest. Who sells (or buys) a truly fake cross for 850 euros? This is simply the case of Dietrich's book causing the market to fall apart for these, and dealers trying to dump them...which is a sad state of affairs. I've said this before many times...but those who think that KQ crosses are rare hasn't looked at period photos of lat war recipients. Most were awarded KQ crosses from the 1944 era on. They are easy to spot in portraits. I think someone got one HELL of a deal on a perfectly original cross.....

[Steve Campbell]

It sounds like many members here feel this is a real RK. I think the buyer bought this either feeling it was real or as a gamble it was real or maybe (let's hope not) to sell later as authentic at a huge profit. Of course if it is authentic, this wouldn't be that bad.

[Don D.]

It is a real RK.

[hkusp40]

It is absolutely real. -Ger

[Leroy]

Is this possibly a cross made from real leftover (and not very well stored) parts? With a core that was a reject because of the distortions in the dates, and a frame on which the '800' mark was poorly stamped (and accordingly not used)?

Just purely guessing and trying to understand why Weitze would do this.

Are the grey areas on the arms (on both sides above the swastika) solder drips?

[kcm]

I can't believe some folks think this thing is real.

[desiro]

I can't believe some folks think this thing is real.

Well please enlighten us on why its not

[kcm]

Well please enlighten us on why its not

Just look at the photos.

Also ................. Weitze is not an idiot.

[streptile]

...before Dietrich's good work ... this Ritterkreuz would have been sold as real...

I am still confused about one thing. What is it about Dietrich's book in particular that would have changed anyone's views about this piece? It seems to have the flaws that Dietrich's book identifies as present on authentic K&Q RKs.

Just look at the photos.

Hi kcm,

Really, that is not a helpful answer. What is it specifically, in your personal opinion, that makes this one so obviously a fake?

[collector1953]

I think that it is an original frame that was ground flat in sections by a grinder removing the swaz and later re-cored with an 80's core.

The frame and hanger may be worth its selling price.

[Don D.]

That's an elaborate theory......

[Don D.]

Just look at the photos.

Also ................. Weitze is not an idiot.

Please share with us your knowledge on these things....

[collector1953]

That's an elaborate theory......

Seems simple and a obvious, why do you say that