EK2 Austrian mount

[Bernie Brule]

Maybe there are no pics because EKIIs with the Austrian ribbon style are not portable.

Hi Fabri,

Could you elaborate on this? I assume this means no hanging device.

Bernie

[Kondor]

Don't know what the reverse of these particular Imperial crosses look like, but all of the Imperial era so-called 'Austrian wraps' that I personally have, or have seen, have some type of attachment device on the reverse side for wearing. I myself, am personally weary of the WWII trifold wraps. Has anyone ever seen a photo of one of these TR trifolds ever being awarded, or in wear? I remain very cautious because I remember about 20 years ago a gentleman selling an entire box of these TR era trifolds at a Show. But hey, that just may be my paranoia talking!

I realize that you are looking for WW2 period pictures, but this one of a Fallschirmjager attending a Schutzenverrein march in Innsbruck back in the 80's will probably explain the number of 3rd Reich and Imperial trifold ribbons that were in that box. What I really liked seeing is that they all wore their original awards which was/is allowed in Austria. I loved the guy with the German Cross in Gold and the single handed destruction of a tank sewn to his trachten jacket. He had his infantry assault badge and other awards on the proper side, but I didn't catch him early enough to get a full frontal of everything he earned.

[speedytop]

Hi Kondor,

"What I really liked seeing is that they all wore their original awards which was/is allowed in Austria."

This is not correct.

It was/is not allowed in Austria:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abzeichengesetz

http://www.ris.bka.gv.at/GeltendeFas...ummer=10005262

Uwe

[fabri-online]

Hi Fabri,

Could you elaborate on this? I assume this means no hanging device.

Bernie

Hi Bernie,

right question. I was talking about the locking device seen on EKIIs that started the thread.
Here in the bottom we can see some portable EK/medals with needle in the Austrian mount, many times in medal bars but in single bar I didn't remember, thanks to ekunter for share these beauties (but are there also with TR EKIIs ?).

[George Stimson]

Thanks for the pics, Kondor!

[George Stimson]

And here's another Imperial era tri-mount, with a Hymmen Spange affixed to it.

[Bernie Brule]

Whoa, that is so cool!!

[Kondor]

Hi Kondor,

"What I really liked seeing is that they all wore their original awards which was/is allowed in Austria."

This is not correct.

It was/is not allowed in Austria:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abzeichengesetz

http://www.ris.bka.gv.at/GeltendeFas...ummer=10005262

Uwe

Uwe, I realize that it is not allowed in Germany, however it was allowed in Austria as so many of the vets that I visited down there wore their original awards on fest days such as these and if memory serves, when Papa George visited Vienna, they made it a point to be there to great him with their original awards with the swastika's showing. There way of demonstrating their disgust for the US putting Kurt Waldheim on the restricted list of people who could not visit the US. Not politically correct for a former UN President and Oberleutnant of the Wehrmacht to enter the US.

[römischIX]

wanna see the backsides, thankx

[fabri-online]

And here's another Imperial era tri-mount, with a Hymmen Spange affixed to it.

Very nice

[speedytop]

Hi Kondor,

is it only my insufficient English?

...however it was allowed in Austria ...

It was and is not allowed in Austria, to wear insignias of forbidden organizations.

Original text:
"§ 1.
(3) Orden und Ehrenzeichen, die eines der im Abs. 1 oder Abs. 2 erwähnten Embleme aufweisen, dürfen öffentlich weder getragen noch zur Schau gestellt werden."
Rough translation:
"Orders and decorations which show one in the paragraph 1 or paragraph 2 mentioned emblems may be neither worn publicly nor been displayed publicly."

Please see once more my links above, they are both related to Austria.

And see here on page 3:
http://www.parlament.gv.at/PAKT/VHG/...ame_156682.pdf
"Von diesem Verbot sind auch Orden, Ehrenzeichen und Auszeichnungen des zweiten Weltkrieges ... betroffen.
...
... dann getragen ... werden dürfen, wenn vorher die verbotenen Embleme entfernt worden sind."

Uwe

[Kondor]

Hi Kondor,

is it only my insufficient English?



It was and is not allowed in Austria, to wear insignias of forbidden organizations.

Original text:
"§ 1.
(3) Orden und Ehrenzeichen, die eines der im Abs. 1 oder Abs. 2 erwähnten Embleme aufweisen, dürfen öffentlich weder getragen noch zur Schau gestellt werden."
Rough translation:
"Orders and decorations which show one in the paragraph 1 or paragraph 2 mentioned emblems may be neither worn publicly nor been displayed publicly."

Please see once more my links above, they are both related to Austria.

And see here on page 3:
http://www.parlament.gv.at/PAKT/VHG/...ame_156682.pdf
"Von diesem Verbot sind auch Orden, Ehrenzeichen und Auszeichnungen des zweiten Weltkrieges ... betroffen.
...
... dann getragen ... werden dürfen, wenn vorher die verbotenen Embleme entfernt worden sind."

Uwe

Servus Uwe,

Nein Ihr English ist sehr gut. I could not access your references from the computer I was at when I answered earlier. Sehr Interresant! It must be one of those laws that are selectively enforced in Austria! The veterans in the parade all had swastikas on their assault badges and Iron/German Crosses. When attending company reunions in Austria, the veterans (members of the Waffen SS) would wear their original awards in the 80's & 90's.

It must be like the law in Germany, put a sticker over the swastika and you can display it with no problem.

MFG

[römischIX]

no sticker - you turn the 39s cross and it`s ok. but the most veterans are dead...

or they bought a 57s cross for example at steinhauer and lück.

in the early years, some austrians and hungarians wore the i.c. on trifold ribbons.
especially after they were taken to the "großdeutsches reich".

my wife`s grandfather was austrian, he got the kvk 2, kvk1 and other awards.

he earned his kvk2 in 1941 - but he didn`t wore it on a trifold ribbon.

after 1945 they wore mostly all of their awards on trifold ribbons.

[Douglas 5]

I lived in Austria 20 years and during that time talked to an Austria vet once about the tri fold ribbon type . From what I got from him was , that some did have medals mounted that way - but very early on only , and some did it to match other medals they had in that fashion .... but it was not - Vorschrift - did not meet regulations . Would not let me take pictures and did not make any notes about them .

Actual wear : prohibited symbol ... so not allowed to be displayed or worn showing . Many turned them over or replaced with the 57 version . Some old timers would wear them under a jacket or coat .

Douglas

[George Stimson]

Here's another one of interest, "Cross of the Wehrmacht"-wise.