cloth German Cross in Gold : opinion please

[Zain182]

Here I brought to everyone several materials already known and published in different years, according to this sign.
To understand the embroidered sign, you need to contact first of all, not only the connoisseur of faleristics, but also antiquary, but rather, the tailor-cutter.
In this case, these, shown in the topic, signs, one workshop. And most likely a single master.
Fabric sign, it is impossible to artificially age, and we are talking about a meager amount in different countries and even in different continents.
The denial of this subject comes down to the fact that the clients of this forum do not have this instance in their hands or in the collection.
It is clear that for more than 70 years some signs have remained poorly. But there are also in good condition.
Denying the obvious fact is wrong and not reasonable!
Making copies is always with a specific purpose.
Here, there is no motivation and motive!
I asked all skeptics to find and sell 10 pieces or 5 pieces of such copies.
Ready to pay $ 1000 for each.
Now I have money and am ready to buy such "copies" for $ 2000.
Good reason and motive?
This product is definitely not from the BMW plant and not from the Ford plant.
This is the work of the old master (workshop) in Germany (or Europe), the forties.
I can safely say that this order was intended exclusively for senior military officials.
The general version is an option.
I bet with any authority on this forum.
I am ready to send by mail this sign, without any payment, without money, for study. Only, do not disassemble and do not spoil!
Contact lichku. Dam address, phone, Viber and WhatsApp.

In my opinion, this is a great offer!?
Who is ready to accept it?
And who is ready financially, financially, to answer for his criticism, for his knowledge?
Establish the truth, and the truth is more expensive!
I'm waiting!пальцы вверх
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Здесь я привёл всем несколько уже известных и опубликованных в разные годы материалов,по этому знаку.
Чтобы разбираться в шитом знаке,нужно обращаться в первую очередь ,не только к знатоку фалеристики,но ещё и к антиквару,а скорее ,к закройщику-портному.
В данном случае,эти ,показанные в теме,знаки,одной мастерской.И скорее всего одного-единственного мастера.
Тканевый знак,невозможно искуственно состарить,причём речь идёт о мизерном количестве в разных странах и даже в разных континентах.
Отрицание данного предмета ,сводится к тому,что у клиентов данного форума ,нет на руках или в коллекции,данного экземпляра.
Понятно,что за 70 с лишним лет некоторые знаки сохранились плохо.Но есть и в хорошем состоянии.Я это показал.
Отрицать очевидный факт-неправильно и не разумно!
Изготовление копий осуществляется всегда с определённой целью.
Здесь -нет мотивации и мотива!
Я просил у всех скептиков,чтобы мне нашли и продали 10 штук или 5 штук таких копий.
Готов заплатить по 1000$ за каждую.
Теперь имею деньги и готов купить такие "копии" по 2000$.
Хороший повод и мотив?
Это изделие ,точно не из завода БМВ и не из завода Форд.
Это работа старого мастера(мастерской) в Германии(или Европы),сороковых годов.
Смело могу утверждать,что данный орден предназначался исключительно для высших военных чинов.
Генеральская версия-вариант.
Готов поспорить с любым авторитетом этого форума.
Готов выслать почтой этот знак ,без всякой оплаты ,без денег,для изучения.Только ,не разбирать и не портить!
Обращайтесь в личку.Дам адрес ,телефон,Viber и WhatsApp.

По моему ,это отличное предложение!?
Кто готов его принять?
И кто готов финансово ,материально,ответить за свою критику,за свои знания?
Установим истину,а истина -дороже.
Я жду!пальцы вверх

[Zain182]

Well, it did not take me 50 years of learning to find out that this one (and the one you referenced) is an ugly fake. To study the history, the regulation, and the background of the second highest order of the Third Reich would surely help to give you some enlightment. Since you are so keen with the written words (in catalogs) I can sincerely recommend another fairly decent written book about this topic.
You might learn a thing or two about the German Cross.

Thank you very much!
But I am not a collector of the 3rd Reich.
I am an expert on faleristics and antiques.
I have this item (order).
He studied it carefully and comprehensively.
And you-do not have it!
Buy and add to your book.
You will like it very much. I will give it a cheap price. I don’t need it at all!
The style and manner of the prtniy, the cutter, cannot be determined without detailed examination. Here there can be no difference between Europe, Asia, America and Africa.
This is not metal processing technology, it is different.

By the way, cowards are also sewn in Europe and Asia. And it is impossible to distinguish them from each other.

[AntiqueWW2]

When you are already an Expert,who knows all better, for what you come here and ask for Opinion? Be happy with the Cross, write 20 Books about it and maybe you win the German Cross Pulitzer Prize....who knows. Ah, and forgot, i pay you 10K Euros Dollars Rubles or a Buss full of Schekel when you show me one single Picture pre 1945 showing this Cross in wear my dear Expert

Thank you very much!
But I am not a collector of the 3rd Reich.
I am an expert on faleristics and antiques.
I have this item (order).
He studied it carefully and comprehensively.
And you-do not have it!
Buy and add to your book.
You will like it very much. I will give it a cheap price. I don’t need it at all!
The style and manner of the prtniy, the cutter, cannot be determined without detailed examination. Here there can be no difference between Europe, Asia, America and Africa.
This is not metal processing technology, it is different.

By the way, cowards are also sewn in Europe and Asia. And it is impossible to distinguish them from each other.

[Zain182]

when you are already an expert,who knows all better, for what you come here and ask for opinion? Be happy with the cross, write 20 books about it and maybe you win the german cross pulitzer prize....who knows. Ah, and forgot, i pay you 10k euros dollars rubles or a buss full of schekel when you show me one single picture pre 1945 showing this cross in wear my dear expert

Я готов вам показать редкие знаки в золоте,серебре,бронзе,которые никогда никто не видел на фотографиях.
Фотографироваться с наградами любил Л.Брежнев.
Фото-это показатель?
Этих наград,в природе было не более десяти штук.
Кто-то их успел пришить,кто-то не пришил.
Соответственно,фотографий могло быть в разы меньше.А до наших дней они вообще не сохранились.Допускаю,что фотографий вообще не было.
Кто-то здесь может показать фотографии всех генералов 3го Рейха?
С наградами или в домашних тапочках?
Полный бред!

[AntiqueWW2]

אני לא מדבר רוסית.......My Russian is a bit rusty, but maybe that will do

Я готов вам показать редкие знаки в золоте,серебре,бронзе,которые никогда никто не видел на фотографиях.
Фотографироваться с наградами любил Л.Брежнев.
Фото-это показатель?
Этих наград,в природе было не более десяти штук.
Кто-то их успел пришить,кто-то не пришил.
Соответственно,фотографий могло быть в разы меньше.А до наших дней они вообще не сохранились.Допускаю,что фотографий вообще не было.
Кто-то здесь может показать фотографии всех генералов 3го Рейха?
С наградами или в домашних тапочках?
Полный бред!

[Zain182]

I do not ask the opinions of so-called "specialists" in ordinary signs and awards.
I show a rare reward and claim that it is genuine, original and has survived to the present day.
אני מדבר רוסית

[AntiqueWW2]

Very good, then stop claim it, simple proof it. And we are all Silent and you get on top a Bus full of Schekel.

I do not ask the opinions of so-called "specialists" in ordinary signs and awards.
I show a rare reward and claim that it is genuine, original and has survived to the present day.
אני מדבר רוסית

[Zain182]

There are still experienced specialists
who, before writing verdicts and drawing conclusions, can explain technological details and logic?
My sign was first shown in the internet 2006 (Israel).
Then the next analogue appeared on a German document, in a profile forum. It was sold in Belgium.
These are signs in good condition.

Then found similar, second-hand
Is it not visible?
Then there were searches for other analogues in the specialized forums of collectors ...
In 2017 I found a page of the European catalog. I quote it here.
After all, everything is obvious! The sign was and is! And a similar (not my) sign is described in the catalog!
What is wrong? How can one deny the obvious?

















The former owner of the mark, turned out to be illiterate. He could not figure out the authenticity of the mark. Yes, and his advisers were about the same!
Бывший хозяин знака,оказался малограмотным.Не смог разобраться в подлинности знака.Да и советники у него были примерно такими же!

[AntiqueWW2]

I am still waiting for a proof it is real. Just show one single Picture with this Cross in wear, thats all you need to to.

It was fake when it was made, it still is fake, and it will remain a fake until someone with a bit of responsibility and who is scared from eye cancer will buy it, and then do the only logic Thing there is to do......Burn it.

There are still experienced specialists
who, before writing verdicts and drawing conclusions, can explain technological details and logic?
My sign was first shown in the internet 2006 (Israel).
Then the next analogue appeared on a German document, in a profile forum. It was sold in Belgium.
These are signs in good condition.

Then found similar, second-hand
Is it not visible?
Then there were searches for other analogues in the specialized forums of collectors ...
In 2017 I found a page of the European catalog. I quote it here.
After all, everything is obvious! The sign was and is! And a similar (not my) sign is described in the catalog!
What is wrong? How can one deny the obvious?

















The former owner of the mark, turned out to be illiterate. He could not figure out the authenticity of the mark. Yes, and his advisers were about the same!
Бывший хозяин знака,оказался малограмотным.Не смог разобраться в подлинности знака.Да и советники у него были примерно такими же!

[DonC]

I will just say that using Snyder's Treasures as validation of originality is... problematic, at best.


I will also say that the item in question looks more like "Hitler's Fried Egg" than the originals...

[Zain182]

I will just say that using Snyder's Treasures as validation of originality is... problematic, at best.


I will also say that the item in question looks more like "Hitler's Fried Egg" than the originals...

The impression is that on the forum, there are no users with common sense, experience and arguments.
As for me, the entire 3rd Reich, Nazism is an abomination complete! And the signs of the 3rd Reich is a complete internal rejection.
But, the fact of authenticity of any product created by human hands in the 40s, including this, can not be refuted! And no one can do it of you, even for good money, which I am willing to pay, but you are not! Impression is that this is a forum for collectors and impotent experts

[Zain182]

[QUOTE=AntiqueWW2;8434814]I am still waiting for a proof it is real. Just show one single Picture with this Cross in wear, thats all you need to to.



Are you generally normal?
None of you saw these signs and did not hold them in your hands! Because their units (very few) ... Where do the photos come from?
Photos, especially at times less.
Photos and postcards, muculature is not my profile.

[Dietrich Maerz]

By even rejecting photos as a possible argument when it was initially stated that tthose were worn by the German members of Hitler's entourage when visiting Italy in 1943 the thread has reached a surrealistic realm. Before we are all transferred in to a new pink reality through a hand-embroidered black hole I close this thread. Pure self-defence!

I will say, however, that I hope the owner is happy that he has and has convincingly convinced himself that it is real.