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    #16
    Gents just a thought.
    Has any one come across a kvk medal with a ring stamp.?
    I have picked up lots and never seen one yet.
    Whats your thoughts.?
    kn

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      #17
      I've only seen one marked 88, but that's it. Never owned one.
      Dave

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        #18
        Here is what i have so far.
        kvk x 83,14,1,80
        kvk 1,14,65,60,
        I am looking for a 12 with x or without.
        cheers
        kn
        Last edited by King Naga; 06-16-2010, 09:29 AM.

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          #19
          I do not have 12 = Frank & Reif in the list . ... which they probably did not make any KvKs ?

          Douglas

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            #20
            No 12 for me either, Are we starting a list of manufacturers? If so here are mine
            I have
            w/ swords 7, 127, 19 and 1
            w/o swords 60, 1, 107, unmarked 84, and a packet for #4.
            I think I have seen packets for many others including Deumer #3 and Brehmer #13. Being that so many were issued I'm sure the list is huge as to the makers of these awards.

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              #21
              Douglas i have a packet for the kvk 2nd class 12 thats why i want one.
              Naw you have said that i will post picture of the packet for scrutiny.It might be a fake packet but to me its ok but im not a expert.
              This will be interesting if the packet turns out to be ok.
              kn
              ps blutunehre thanks for posting mate

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                #22
                I have a list I put together over the years of actualy marked crosses - which I got off of a few different forum sites - probably 95% or more complet now .
                I have the KvKs in 4 groups : 2nd class with and without and 1st class with and without . So KN and Dave . Are these actualy marked crosses and need the grade , as it is not mentioned .

                Douglas

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                  #23
                  Douglas please excuse my ignorance but i do not know what you really mean in your last post.?Please could you tell me so i can reply to you accordingly.
                  kind regards
                  kn

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                    #24
                    Tricky with the packets and unmarked crosses . Is the '12' packet for a 2nd class Kvk with or without swords ?? And some times the maker never marked the cross and is only identifyable by the packet ...... is it an original pair ? Who knows .
                    KN : those are numbers for KvK 2nd class ... and with or with out swords ?

                    Douglas

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                      #25
                      Douglas i will take pic tomorrow of packet as it is at my parants house.It is for a kvk 2nd class but my memory can not remember if its with or without X.
                      I look forward to your reply when i post it.
                      kn

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by King Naga View Post
                        Douglas i will take pic tomorrow of packet as it is at my parants house.It is for a kvk 2nd class but my memory can not remember if its with or without X.
                        I look forward to your reply when i post it.
                        kn
                        Hi Douglas,
                        I was under the impression that KN wanted to start a list of KVK2 as that was the cross that started the thread, so I listed my marked
                        KVK's and unmarked crosses and packets that I know for sure are original sets, such as Deschler hoard crosses.
                        It would be interesting to see your list though.
                        Dave

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                          #27
                          Blutundehre yes a list will be a good thing but lets see what Douglas has to say im sure he has a comprehensive list .
                          kn

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                            #28
                            Packet

                            Hi gents here is the packet in question.


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                              #29
                              Hi KN : Interesting packet > for a KvK 2nd class with swords .... and appears to be good . Packets are not my area . Post the packet on the case and packet forum to get a review of it .
                              The chalange is if F&R and others as well - made their own or bought a batch from one or more makers - had packets printed - and sold them as sets ??? I have only been trying to get a list together . Those members that have been working on these may be able to say more . The # 12 or F&R sofar sofar I have not seen them in a list . They did make Black Wound Badges , IABs , PABs and GABs ... machinery with which they probably could make KvKs with . If the sheer numbers is any indication everybody was making them - 2nd class with swords - approx. 60 makers ! And on the other end - 1st class KvK without Swords 6 only !!

                              I will print the 4 lists once I cleaned them up from scribling in numbers here and there .

                              Douglas

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                                #30
                                The first chart for now : will be in and out all day .

                                Douglas


                                KvK Makers : (Revised base list by George Stimson)

                                2nd Class no Swords :

                                4 - S&L
                                15 - Friedrich Orth
                                14 - L.Chr. Lauer
                                17 - Unknown
                                18 - Karl Wurster
                                19 - E Ferd Weidmann
                                34 - Willy Annetsberger
                                36 - Burry & Leonhard
                                41 - Gebru'der Bender
                                43 - Julius Bauer & So'hne
                                45 - Franz Jungwirth
                                50 - Karl Geschiermeister
                                52 - Gottleib & Wagner
                                55 - Hammer & So'hne
                                56 - Robert Hauschild
                                57 - Karl Hensler
                                60 - Katz & Dreyhle (with packet , marked)
                                65 - Klein & Quenzer
                                66 - Freidrich Keller
                                67 - H. Kriesel
                                74 - Carl Mauer Sohn
                                75 - Unknown
                                88 - Werner Redo
                                99 - Schweitzer & Cie
                                101 - Rudolf Tam
                                107 - Carl Wild
                                113 - Hermann Aurich
                                136 - J. Wagner & Sohn

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