Opinions on Godet “L/50” marked Oakleaves – Original or Fake?

[Dietrich Maerz]

I don't know whether this COA is a fake or not (and I do not care at all!). Clear is, however, that it refers to the piece in question.

[streptile]

I don't know whether this COA is a fake or not (and I do not care at all!).

The Niemann signature looks forged to me -- different from the few I have had from him.

[Andy K.]

COA of Detlev Niemann

Hello Dietrich,

This is definitely not a real expertise of Detlev Niemann in my opinion.

That Niemann’s expertise is a fake maybe using by original components like the hologram for
example. The signature has obviously been not written fluently but it has been falsified.

Also earlier, copies of his expertises have already appeared occasionally on the market also
in the Wehrmacht-Award forum.

Andy

[Dietrich Maerz]

I really only try to do my best with some opinions regarding the very small area I seem to have a little bit of a knowledge. As I said, I have no idea whether the COA is good or bad - but it seems that there is a market for another set of COAs. A COA about the COA of Mr. Niemann. But I will not be the one to study that subject.

Fact is this: the oaks are not good and were sold with this expertise. This makes it even more fraudulent IMHO (if the COA is a fake and I certainly can believe that) since the owner now has the burden of not only disputing the actual piece but also the COA.

Dietrich

[JRA]

I really only try to do my best with some opinions regarding the very small area I seem to have a little bit of a knowledge. As I said, I have no idea whether the COA is good or bad - but it seems that there is a market for another set of COAs. A COA about the COA of Mr. Niemann. But I will not be the one to study that subject.

Fact is this: the oaks are not good and were sold with this expertise. This makes it even more fraudulent IMHO (if the COA is a fake and I certainly can believe that) since the owner now has the burden of not only disputing the actual piece but also the COA.

Dietrich

and therefore it is a good thing that there are forums like WAF, Militaria Fundforum and CGA for instance.

Jeroen

[kaiserwilhelm2]

I believe this piece was offered by a German on eBay. I emailed him and we talked on the phone. The thing however was that I wanted to have a second opinion on the piece from a dealer I know. The seller then became hesitant and a few days later told me he had an American willing to buy the piece for 5000 no questions asked. As I had offered him 6000 for it this was a bit strange. I continued to insist on a second opinion and then never heard from him again. This had fraud written all over it.

[Tom B]

Hello,

Below you can see two photos of a Godet “L/50” marked Oakleaves from a good friend of mine.
I cannot show more or detailed photos of the piece at present.

I have made my opinion on this Oakleaves, but I would really like to know your opinions on this piece.

Many thanks in advance.

Andy

I just purchased off U.S. Ebay for $10.00, a set that are absolutly identical to these. The seller clearly stated "Reproduction" set of Oakleaves. I was the only bidder. I must say for a set that were made to decieve and are cast, these are a Super quality fake !!! For the price paid I'm very happy ! Tom

[Tony T-S]

$10 sounds about right for a filler. The questionable COA is not funny at all.

[Tom B]

$10 sounds about right for a filler. The questionable COA is not funny at all.

Mine had no COA, just the Oaks. When these first showed up a few years ago several were offered by "Big" named dealers as Original. Who ever made these did a damn good job ! Tom

[Brian S]

Seems unlikely Niemann would have given this a thumbs up.