souval opinions please

[cobra-2001]

this is a screw back souval .no maker mark on it . i need opinions please

[cobra-2001]

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[cobra-2001]

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[Robert P.]

Compare yours to this cross from my 'fake' file. This is a pinback version. There is also an EKII counterpart in circulation now. Do they look the same?

[Robert P.]

Here is my original Souval to compare...

[cobra-2001]

Souval

Are you saying they all have to have the dipping 3 to be original?

[LuckyLuudje]

Are you saying they all have to have the dipping 3 to be original?

I can't read anywhere that Robert was talking about a dipping 3

[Robert P.]

Are you saying they all have to have the dipping 3 to be original?

No, I'm not saying that. But, I do see dissimilar features that raise red flags. The 'chicken feet' outside corners look different from an original, and the inside corners adjacent the swasi look different also. I'm just not certain it's an original Souval.

[Robert P.]

I've made a comparitive montage to compare the cross you posted with an original Souval EKII, a Souval core without the dipping '3'. I hope this can help. I see differences in the date, the beading and the swasi.

[pbuchh7715]

Robert,

Thank you for the side by side comparison. I think that's essential in determining differences and wish more folks would do just that.

Still learning,

Peter

[Stu W]

Not an authentic Souval IMHO

Hello,

I have owned three authentic Souval frame screw back EKI and viewed several more in photographs. All had the same obverse characteristics as a pin back Souval frame EKI with Souval (as opposed to Orth) core.

Yours lacks the 12 o'clock arm die flaw and the extended center beads in each of the eight corners don't have the same degree of separation between the beads as on the ones I have seen.

The inner beading by the swas lacks the smooth curvature of an original and a true Souval core screw back should have the Dipping 3.

I've never seen a sun ray style disc with a Souval. The ones I've seen had the smooth back with one rib across and L58 mark.

As a result I do not feel yours is an authentic period Souval.

Regards,
Stu

[Robert P.]

To the left is the cross which started the thread. To the right is the cross I have in my 'fake' file (others condemned this piece months ago). There are many similarities, and I believe the cross to the right has it's frame rotated 90 degrees counterclockwise compared to the cross on the left.

[Robert P.]

Very comprehensive description, Stu.

[Wik]

Good info guys! I'm trying to learn here.

Robert, great pics of the side by sides. As previously mentioned it really helps those of us who are trying to learn!

Stu excellent info! I was wondering what about the beading was differnt, now that you mention it though I think I see exactly what you were talking about.

So the question is: if this isn't a Souval, is it a clearcut fake, or could it be another maker?


Ryan

[grueni1208]

Here is the EK II counterpart:
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=282230

Regards

Daniel