EKII '125' to show...

[LuckyLuudje]

S&L frame, K&Q core........what's more?
The only we miss is L/12 stamp

Kidding aside.
Yours and Adrians EK2 are very interesting.

[Robert P.]

Yes, it's unusual to see that fat swasi (like the '65' variant) in the '125'-stamped cross. Adrian's cross has more of what you would normally see in a '125' core. Odder things that this have been found in the EKII world. I don't know if these fat swasis are caused by a softer die strike or a shallow strike or worn dies, but I keep running across them as I collect.

[LuckyLuudje]

I askes the Real Expert of all EK's what it is.
When I don't know it anymore, I always ask him

He will stick his neck out and say that it is most likey a late war mm125 with K&Q core and 2nd type S&L frame.
And assembled by Gauss himself.

[Robert P.]

So you think the parrot is a little wiser than us, huh? I think so too.

[LuckyLuudje]

I kept my information source secret for many years.
But here he is: General von Parrothoffen.

Did you really think that I could see the difference between a Schinkel and an Ubergrosse?

[Douglas 5]

Hi Robert :
Had server problems all day , just now getting on here .
Adrian was very close in his observations but probably does not know why . Both have the same core but yours is the reworked 2nd frame die . The core die is very worn . The flat sides to the swastika arm let the surface spread out fast with wear , just what has happened on yours . Working on pictures still .

Douglas

[Robert P.]

I like the little guy, Luud. He reminds me of the Schwerin U-Boat badge.

[Robert P.]

Hi Robert :
Had server problems all day , just now getting on here .
Adrian was very close in his observations but probably does not know why . Both have the same core but yours is the reworked 2nd frame die . The core die is very worn . The flat sides to the swastika arm let the surface spread out fast with wear , just what has happened on yours . Working on pictures still .

Douglas

Ah ha! Douglas, you finally found the thread. Worn die, huh? So, they both have the same core. Interesting. Thank you. I still like Luud's parrot.

[LuckyLuudje]

Yeehaaa.....There he is.
Help us, we have to rely on this guy while you were not around.
This is what he did yesterday

[Robert P.]

Now that's where General Parrothoffen and I would be having a discussion, him chewing on a $150.00 case.

[LuckyLuudje]

I like the little guy, Luud. He reminds me of the Schwerin U-Boat badge.

I just checked how the Schwerin U boat looked like.
But that sure is one of the ugliest Eagles I have ever seen.

Now he got angry,he thinks he does more look like a Wiedman
You can see how angry he looks!

[Robert P.]

Yikes, what a stunning badge!

I've got a question for Douglas regarding my '65' variant fat swasi after he does some photo work for the '125's. I'm waiting on you, sir.

[LuckyLuudje]

I can't wait anymore.
My Wife is waiting for me!

Just let me know if that Bad Boy was right about his statement:
A late war mm125 with K&Q core and 2nd type S&L frame, assembled by Gauss himself.

The worn out die theory would confirm the part of being late war!

[Douglas 5]

Even S&L Ek2 crosses have their complexity , which is starting to show here . Hard to keep things simple and totaly correct . It would be helpfull if Adrian has a nice side picture .
The black circles show the new added point ridges that Adrians cross does not have .

D .

[Robert P.]

So, Douglas, are you saying the swasi on my 1st core has evolved from what used to be a geometrically thinner shape to this wider (fat) shape from die wear alone? I can accept this, as I see the same evidence in the lack of crisp detail to the numbers as well. Their detail has 'softened'. It does strike me as odd though that the wear is so evenly distributed over the entire shape of the swasi, and not in excess at any given area. But I believe we've discussed the wear pattern theory before in a different thread or e-mail, and I can appreciate your logic. Besides, this fat swasi is seldom seen on many EKII's. It would make sense that a new core replace the worn 1st core.

Not to change the subject, but I have an issue with a couple of '65' EKII cores. One has the thinner swasi, and the other fatter type. But, in this case I believe we're actually dealing with two different cores. Looking into the inside overall shapes of the two cores one can see that the dies must have been engraved much differently; There is a curvature in the inside arms of the fat swasi as they approach the center area, something not found on the thinner swasi. What do you see?