S&l ??

[Robin Lumsden]

I wonder what they paid for these boards.

Here's another of them.

CCC in Gold, Guerrilla Warfare Badge................

[Darrell]

I wonder what they paid for these boards.

Here's another of them.

CCC in Gold, Guerrilla Warfare Badge................

Robin,
My thoughts as well.
Anyone can do some simple math and come up with a LOT more than $11k worth of medals on this one. (especially individually)

Detlev and Barry are not stupid .... they don't give stuff away ...

[Robin Lumsden]

And another funny thing.

If these are supposedly S&L boards, why do some of the badges have an assortment of different maker marks?

I suppose it'll be put down to 'inter-firm co-operation', again.

I thought these firms would have been in competition with each other.

[ben bijker]

Any ideas why "authentic" RK w/Oaks = $13k and "authentic" RK w/ Oaks and Swords = $19k?

Well, that crossed my mind to.

If the boards were made up postwar, are the decorations wartime????
Or are they post-war as well???

Regards,
Ben

[Dave-B]

We were only really interested in the RKs but I think everything else was ok (depends if you like S&L DKs etc), then again I'm not really a badge collector so I'm not 100% great on the other awards.

We were only outbid slightly on the lots but a good price was paid for them.

[juoneen]

I thought there were supposed to be balls on the ends of each side of the swords crossguards. Too bad we cant see the other side of the oakleaves. Are they shown on the e medals site?

[Dave-B]

The reverses are plain, no marks at all.

[Leroy]

These look to be perfectly fine S&L RK's, although the Oakleaves don't appear to exactly match the type thought to be made by S&L during the war (I'm not seeing the flaw between the middle leaf and the "vein" to its right). Perhaps the Oakleaves are from someone else (or perhaps we have been wrong about S&L types).

Perhaps we should re-examine the concept that the "ban" on private sales was as sweeping as previously believed. There does not seem to be any doubt that those "entitled" could, and did, privately purchase these decorations for wear, some certainly after the ban supposedly took effect.

This is not to say that these "salesman boards" were definitely made up during the war, although I don't see any real reason why they could not have been.

[Thomas Durante]

It is indeed odd that if these are an S&L board, why the different makers? The CCCs look original from this distance, but all are different makers: bronze is a S&L, silver is a GWL and gold is an FLL, all in mint condition. Typically FLLs loose their finish pretty easily, so this one was well protected or has an earlier gold plated finish.

Tom

[Leroy]

Tom makes a good point, but then again they are all Ludenschied makers. I know there was an earlier comment about a co-op, but why would this be at all far-fetched?

We really know so little about how these things were really done.

[Dietrich Maerz]

We should wait for Bob Hritz. If I remember correctly he once reported that the people of Lüdenscheid produced those as war souveniers and he got some at Hotel buys. If I remember correctly, that is. There is an old thread about this somewhere....

Dietrich

[Leroy]

I recall that thread, as well. The sample boards were really placemats from the company dining hall, with the company logo, weren't they? Do these boards have a logo on them?

If they were, in fact, made up by the people of Ludenschied, it's interesting to see those "A" type crosses without flaws....

Another interesting thing if you go to the e-medals site. There is one board being sold with Spanish Crosses. One of them HAS DOWN-TAIL EAGLES!

[Harry]

I don't like the solder between the oaks and the swords, nor the 'snipped' end of the wire loop attached to them. Sloppy work in my opinion..notice that the loop on the reverse of the oaks has not been extended to accomodate the swords, so that the swords do not clear the RK frame. So it seems that the swords were applied to oaks retrospectively, rather than oaks and swords assembled at the same time with an elongated loop to accomodate the swords??????

[juoneen]

comparing the texture, and colors they are similair

Heres the fake oakleaves that came with some other stuff i got, and except for the D being wider, the texture , color, and similarities are close on those oakleaves with swords that show the darker solder,(first photo i think) and just the oakleaves look similair in those ways to this set here, like if they made a set with the wider D they would be very similair indeed. But Maybe not, just thought they looked similair.

[willy]

"notice that the loop on the reverse of the oaks has not been extended to accomodate the swords, so that the swords do not clear the RK frame"

Otto Weidinger on page 439 of Their Honor was Loyalty has a short loop on his swords in which the sword handles clearly foul against the RK frame, interesting.