Is Schickle really L/15 ??

[Sal Williams]

Also if L/15 WAS Laurer and they purchased Schickles items/equipment, and then marked them with L/15 couldnt that explain why earlier collectors decided L/15 was Schickle?

[Dietrich Maerz]

Oh and the L/15 "poem" , what is that? Also is it true that it can be interpreted in both the totally different ways as was stated? Both equally plausible in German?

For starters it is absolutely uncommon, unheard of and most likely never surpassed that somebody (whoever it might be, Schickle, Lauer or whoever) prints such a 'poem' in a magazine and signs it with his LDO-code. Makes no sense at all, not even when one thinks about it with an open mind!

I do not subscribe to either interpretation - both make no sense at all IMHO.

[Brian S]

Some misinformation in this thread that I have not found corrected...

The pictures in these catalog pages are NOT drawings they are photos.

This was a process to create the catalog from original photos, not drawings.

That's why these pages are significant.

[Winston]

The poem says

In a time where the best of our people are to be assigned to the frontline and avouch their lives there,in this time there is no room for criminals and scapegraces that destroy this nation.

[Brian S]

The poem says

In a time where the best of our people are to be assigned to the frontline and avouch their lives there,in this time there is no room for criminals and scapegraces that destroy this nation.

[Sal Williams]

Thank you Winston.

@ Brian, there is a "poem" or something posted from some periodical in this thread with "l/15" at the bottom.

[Sal Williams]

Some misinformation in this thread that I have not found corrected...

The pictures in these catalog pages are NOT drawings they are photos.

This was a process to create the catalog from original photos, not drawings.

That's why these pages are significant.

Brian, how do you know this? I have heard both that they are photos and are "illustrations" in the catalogs.

[colin davie]

On the very first post of this topic is a link to Gordon's original thread here on WAF, Rick Research mentions they are photo's and not drawings, I agree too if you look at the shots of the catalogue pages ( I gave a link to GMIC showing actual catalogue a couple of pages back from here)
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[Andreas Klein]

Brian is absolute correct ...

the Schickle catalog is based on photos from the original awards but as always many people wouldn't believe that because than they had to accept that many L/15 marked awards doesn't match the photo in the catalog (look at the clasp to the IC 1st class i showed).

[Peter J.]

Guys, there are two observations I've made whilst reading through Gordon's threads about manufacturer's catalogues on the GMIC.

1. In the Steinhauer&Luck catalogue, the LDO-number is L16, which further confirms what has been said here before i.e. the question of dash or not shouldn't perhaps be that important.

2. I also belive we should further examine the pages from the two catalogues 1938 and 1940, to find out if the reference to their page-numbers is correct. Take a look at the alleged p.20 from the 1938 catalogue and it will be crystal clear

cheers
Peter

[Peter J.]

Opps, sorry. I just noticed Gordon has confirmed that p.20 actually is from the 1940 catalogue. However the extra sheets are numbered with single digets.

cheers
Peter

[Biro]

I agree with Peter J that the reference by S&L - in their OWN catalogue - to their production number as L 16 is of particular relevance to this interesting discussion.

Marshall

[colin davie]

A strange oddity of the catalogue/supplement is the U-Boat badges, I had a 16mm mini, it had the space below the sub solid, as in the Schickle 1940 catalogue, but in the supplement the 16mm mini is the type cut out below the sub, so that does'nt figure.
Also the full size award.. Gordon has great knowledge of that badge, and he would have looked at those images real good, surely he would have noticed if the badge in the catalogue did not match the full size one in the supplement, he had a better view than us just looking at low res scans.
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[Sal Williams]

BTW when we speak of "Gordon" are we talking about G. Williamson or Richard G.?

I was thinking about this and it doesn't seems so complex if a few things are true.
If there are badges that match up to the Schickle catalog and are marked L/15 it would make sense that one would assume these to be Schickle. But If there is no written evidence giving the L/15 number to Schickle one still wouldn't have reason to question it. Given written evidence (it would be nice to know what publication this was in) of L/15 being given to laurer, why is it so hard to believe that Lauerer bought Shickle badges when they went out of business and marked them L/15? Am I missing something?

Best, Sal

[colin davie]

I was talking about Gordon Williamson, he knows the U-Boat badges really well and the different makers/types. The U-Boat badge is shown in both the supplement and the main 1940 catalogue, I was making the point that I think he would have noticed if they were different badges surely. he knows the IC's pretty well too.
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