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    #1

    Looking to get this Knights Cross

    Helloo,
    I am looking to get a Knights Cross, my first.. our friend Weitze has this one and I wanted to know what you think.. the mark on the back looks incomplete, any Ideas on maker?? Thanks for any help.
    Van
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      #3
      I would be careful here. The 3, 6 and 9 o'clock arms all have beading flaws.

      Others can chime in, I'm sure.

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        #4
        Van, the Cross is non-magnetic and $3,000.00+/- cheaper than other S&L!!

        Why?
        Regards,
        Dave

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          #5
          out of the 2 reply's , is it a period, pre 1945 or possible post war cross??
          I appreciate the quick info.. thanks.. I am confused as to what to think about the flaws on the arms, I have read the forums on the flaws but unsure how to deduce period or post war..
          Van

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            #6
            This is what Dietrich calls a "Type B" S&L cross. Although there is no definitive way to say when the core and frames of this cross were stamped (or assembled), I am personally unaware of a "B" cross with beading flaws on 3 arms which is believed in the collecting community to be pre-April, 1945.

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              #7
              Personally I am 100% convinced that this is a post war production by S&L. There are no non-magnetic B-Types before 8 May 1945.
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                #8
                Originally posted by Dietrich Maerz View Post
                There are no non-magnetic B-Types before 8 May 1945.

                This has been discussed many times before and this thread does not need to repeat the arguments. Bob Hritz's "Kitzingen" cross is non-magnetic and I PERSONALLY believe that it is of pre-May 8, 1945 production.

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                  #9
                  Could someone point out the beading flaws? I'm not sure what to look for and the only thing I can pick up on is what appears to be a crack type flaw on the 6 o'clock arm on the bottom left.
                  Richard V

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                    #10
                    Is the stamp an incomplete 'incused 800'?
                    Regards,
                    Dave

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                      #11
                      Look at the vertical 3 and 9 o'clock arms of the cross, as well as the horizontal 6 o'clock arm. On the beading, you will see raised lines on top of the beading. These are the "beading flaws".

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Dave Kane View Post
                        Is the stamp an incomplete 'incused 800'?
                        Looks to be.

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                          #13
                          Hi Richard,
                          I circled the flaw marks in red...
                          My head hurts right now, anyone know were a "positive" pre May 1945 cross might be available.. lol.. Thanks for the input everyone...
                          Van
                          "Is the stamp an incomplete 'incused 800'?"
                          is this a good thing or bad??
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                            #14
                            Van, I wouldn't own this Cross as in my opinion it is post war......way post war judging by the wear of the pocks/dents on the 3oc arm.

                            The pocks/dents are soft and rounded and if you do some research you may find a similar die failure pattern as is found in very late, crude appearing examples. Additionally, look at the placement and fit of the core..
                            Regards,
                            Dave

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                              #15
                              Please don't waste your money on this...

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