SCiG with Diamonds

[all1knew]

Gary,

That is quite a collection of images you have provided, and I thank you for sharing them with us.

It appears that the examples that you have shown are indeed private purchase and not the awarded pieces with facsimile stones.

William Kramer

[jacques]

The cross attributed to Harlinghausen is period made, but was post-war denazified by hidding the swastika; At least it is what is written on the german forum where this cross was shown first. I can't say about the "Brillianten" and don't remember what was written about them. This cross retains the same construction details as the Wolfe & Hardin cross, and the second on shown (close to a gold cross).
jacques

[Pieter Verbruggen]

Till some time ago I was convinced the award piece of the Spanish cross with Diamonds was the tombak, gilded version with saphire stones. With the information I have today, which I take for correct, the award piece was made in silver, gilded and has real diamonds.
Both versions were made by Godet .

If you look at the well known picture of Walter Oesau in his white flight jacket, he wears the tombak version. Hugo Sperrle instead wears the silver version.

The Harlinghausen piece shown here is the silver, gilded version with real stones.
Pieter.

[Pieter Verbruggen]

Tombak version...

[Sal Williams]

Till some time ago I was convinced the award piece of the Spanish cross with Diamonds was the tombak, gilded version with saphire stones. With the information I have today, which I take for correct, the award piece was made in silver, gilded and has real diamonds.
Both versions were made by Godet .

If you look at the well known picture of Walter Oesau in his white flight jacket, he wears the tombak version. Hugo Sperrle instead wears the silver version.

The Harlinghausen piece shown here is the silver, gilded version with real stones.
Pieter.

Pieter, where did you get this newer info?

Best, Sal

[jacques]

Hi Pieter,
Thanks for you input. If the awarded crosses, those awarded during the Hamburg ceremony on May 31th or later for Galland and Balthasar, were in massive silver with real diamonds, in which occasion the tombac crosses were awarded ? Did the recipients receive both crosses of which the tombac one as a second set? or did they bought the tombac one as a private purchase to Godet?
Does these massive silver crosses have a silver stamp somewhere under the backside engraved center plate?
What about the normal gold crosses with added stones which pop up from time to time ??

jacques

[Pieter Verbruggen]

Hi Pieter,
Thanks for you input. If the awarded crosses, those awarded during the Hamburg ceremony on May 31th or later for Galland and Balthasar, were in massive silver with real diamonds, in which occasion the tombac crosses were awarded ? Did the recipients receive both crosses of which the tombac one as a second set? or did they bought the tombac one as a private purchase to Godet?
Does these massive silver crosses have a silver stamp somewhere under the backside engraved center plate?
What about the normal gold crosses with added stones which pop up from time to time ??

jacques

There are only two types . The one like Harlinghausen(silver, gilded) one and the one like the black and white picture (tombak, gilded).
Pieter.

[Sal Williams]

Maybe we will finally learn something about these very enigmatic awards finally! I look forward to those few who actually have experience with these educating us! Yes, thanks Pieter!

[Douglas 5]

These Diamond crosses are quit a mine field . As said above ... the silver and tombac issue pieces and then the private purchase pieces, period display pieces , museum pieces , private alterations and the hand full of post war fakes .
Scary to say the least ... and not enough samples to make any clear determination , ... looking at all posted samples here > not 2 are a like !!
A similar comparison picture shown to a jeweler - indicating that the full Gem casing on the right shows more signs are having real diamonds than the 3/4 casing on the left .
Douglas

[Leroy]

Found this in some old photos. Another "version".

[Douglas 5]

The open Gem casing like that I have down as copy , and the domed arm centres would indicate a regular size gold cross used ..... ???

[Pierre]

Wasn't it Harlingshausen's cross which has been sold by Hermann Historica a couple of years ago?

Pierre

[Douglas 5]

Don't know if it was his or not , but one was sold for 35000 Euros 2 years back .

[Douglas 5]

Look at my files :
That 35000 Euro tombac gilded style Spanish Cross back then was said to be a fake - had open gem casing . That one was not the Harlinghausen Cross .

[Seiler]

Robertmountfor....
For a "Cartier Jeweller" there are "Four C,s" Color,Cut,Clarity.Carat wght.
What would be the cut of this time frame? "Old cut?Rose cut?
Too early for Brilliant? methinks!
Seiler