SCiG with Diamonds

[robertdmountfor]

Robertmountfor....
For a "Cartier Jeweller" there are "Four C,s" Color,Cut,Clarity.Carat wght.
What would be the cut of this time frame? "Old cut?Rose cut?
Too early for Brilliant? methinks!
Seiler

Rose cut I would say, but they are not diamonds. Carat 2.2 at a guess
PS...were you a C man too?

[andrewb]

Hope Andrew B does not mind , has not replied yet .
As to all of these high Awards there are fakes , which I have a seperate big file , and these 3 suppose to be originals .
Douglas

First 1a ;

Hi Douglas,
I have no problems at all regarding your photos. The more the better. Thanks for sharing them.

Regards,
AB.

[George Stimson]

"Orig period award , covered up to comply with 1957display/wear restrictions "

I thought that the Spanish Cross series was not authorized for wear in 1957 versions.

[BrianK]

Well, I'm not sure anyone has an idea of how to tell a real from a fake. I guess it is assumed genuine because of who the sellers are? An $80,000 price tag on these things would be ample incentive for someone to produce a magnificent fake.

[Sal Williams]

"Orig period award , covered up to comply with 1957display/wear restrictions "

I thought that the Spanish Cross series was not authorized for wear in 1957 versions.

hi George, it was not, but harlinghausen wore his denazified anyhow. I think I recall there are post war pics of him wearing it.

Best, Sal

[Sal Williams]

Douglas, thank you for all your valuable input in this thread!

best, Sal

[merdock]

Hi,
Heres a cross with a similar setting/design to the first cross posted guilded silver artifical stones the cross has a great patina.

[merdock]

reverse is not the same but is the same as the one in for fuhur and fatherland and in C,Ailsbys publications ,the front plate is attached by small indented screws.

[merdock]

Here's no 2
This cross is a different constuction to the other and of better quality, not sure of the stones but asume there not diamonds ,a case came with the crosses and fits both.

[merdock]

reverse is again different pin marked 2 and similar to the one discribed in Ailsbys book the centre plate is platinum.

[merdock]

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[BrianK]

All thr pictures look different

What are the characteristics of this award that mark a genuine piece? Does anyone know the answer to this? Seems to me, the cost of producing a fake would be less than say half the price ($40,000) of a "genuine" item. Are there any authorities in the field, books on the subject, or threads on WAF, that could answer these questions?

[lee-clark]

Is there any info out there to suggest how many of these crosses were made, and how many now sit in collections?
Lee

[DaveNZ]

"Orig period award , covered up to comply with 1957display/wear restrictions "

I thought that the Spanish Cross series was not authorized for wear in 1957 versions.

I didnt think it was either.

however perhaps it is ment that the cross complied with German legal requirements post WW2 in that the Swastika had been removed/covered.

[Sal Williams]

Is there any info out there to suggest how many of these crosses were made, and how many now sit in collections?
Lee

I believe there were 28 awarded. even if you give each man 3 copies you have less than 100. Then consider how many survive to this day. Not many total to be sure. I know of 3 in collections that I THINK are real. There is almost nothing out there about these and those who have them don't post pics much less reverse pics. I saw the W&H cross a few years back and Steven was kind enough to let me take pics but not of the reverse. I was surprised and delighted to see he finally did allow pics of the reverse. So far I have seen no way to determine the genuine from the fake for certain. My guess is the W&H one is a good one, the quality was outstanding. Some fakes seem fairly obvious such as the last 2 Merdock posted. It would be great to learn more about these but we would need the participation of some of the heavy hitters to get anywhere.

Best, Sal