KC of Mooyman

[Nick VR]

I read Mooyman gave his knights cross to a collector. Is this collector know?

[Volkbert]

Today it was sold to another collector. Niemann had it for sale. I wonder if this set is for real. It looks great!!!

[Mooyman]

Hi,

Mine Ritterkreuz?

Mine KC continued in the safebox.

Doei!

Ricardo.

[Bjorn S]

Wow, what an amazing set!!
Must be the dream of every (Dutch)man!!!!
Congrats to the buyer, I'd wish I was as rich as he.

[Kevin V.]

It was a very nice set and feel sad I missed it.
Congrats to the buyer.
Nice L/12 Juncker KC.

Sincerely

[Kevin V.]

I have been told by some Dutch collectors that Mooyman lost his original KC and bought a replacement after the war.
Thanks
Kevin

[Kevin V.]

Please have a look at this thread.


http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ight=donderbus

Thanks

[Kyle Harrington]

Liberated RK

Mooyman was captured by the Americans, in an interview given in 1967 he told of the cross being liberated so to speak , he bought a replacement
in the 1950's in Germany.So if this is his replacement RK Juncker crosses were available postwar to purchase albeit via contacts or unofficial channels.Mooynman was lucky he would have probably have been shot if the Ivans had nabbed him.Still all this beggars the question vis a vis pre 1945 crosses.

[leib1]

were not most awards liberated from pow's after the war?that's why i'm alway's unsure of buying pieces such as these.

[Kyle Harrington]

Silence

The silence on this thread is deafeaning...I wonder why ?

[ben bijker]

because a lot of people are afraid to find out their L/12 is a postwar purchase?

Thety must have a giant stock btw, since the dies were (alledgely) destroyed in 1944....

Regards,
Ben

[Kyle Harrington]

Where are the big hitters on this ?

It is enlightening, particularly when those of us who relied on informed information, are now subject to what are intriguing anamolies.So we need to discuss what on earth is happening here.The the cynic in me suggests
any of us can attribute, yet what of the Juncker dies...old stock possibly?
Rather unless the thing is so beaten and obviously worn with pride from the family who can tell, this is a bad, seriously bad juncture in collecting.

[Luftm40]

I have never seen any actual documentation that the Juncker KC dies were destroyed. To the best of my knowledge, this "fact" has been accepted as gospel because a well know collector/writer/authenticator put it in a few of his books (with no foot or end notes provided)

[Kevin V.]

because a lot of people are afraid to find out their L/12 is a postwar purchase?

Thety must have a giant stock btw, since the dies were (alledgely) destroyed in 1944....

Regards,
Ben

As a KC collector myself I would not have any problem if the piece was purchased after the war. He could have gotten it from other vets who had two even more pieces and if there was a postwar stock with pieces manufactured till 1945 I see no problem at all.
We could doubt every Third Reich medal, uniform, helmet etc. but then I think it would be better to just quit the hobby.

Thanks
Kevin

[StefanK.]

As far as i know, the KC sold by DN was restored. I even heard that the frame was opened to get rid of the rust...

Moreover Mooyman never stated that he also gave his other medals to a collector. If you look at the pictures taken from him after the KC ceremony, you will easily see that Mooyman did not wear a W&L EK1 (and such an EK was sold within the group).
That is no proof at all, but it would make it hard to believe for me that the group is "real"...