The pics are low-res, but it shows the same clasp,with the same green "oxidation".....
But sold for what it is.
But sold for what it is.
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Hello! What you showed in the photo is pure fake! If you yourself do not see the difference, then I am sorry for you! Oxidation has nothing to do with it. You need to look at all the parameters of the subject, and not look for a "black cat in a dark room". Sincerely. Edward.Comment
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It's the same clasp, the only skipped trimming it properly.
Same bird, same odd green "patina".
Even from these crappy pics it is pretty obvious.
If you don't want to see that: fine with me, and be happy with your very rare zinc Prinzen
I don't have a clue what you mean by "parameters", meanwhile I will take another look for a black cat in a dark room.Comment
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You are offended that you missed such a rare specimen, that's why you are trying to screw me up.
Check out ;Last edited by Dietrich Maerz; 08-19-2020, 11:44 AM.Comment
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Hi Edward.
You asked for opinions and that is what you got. Not just the often seen "its good/bad" comments, but actually well thought out answers that pointed out different reasonings behind the answers.
It looks like you have your mind made up. It is your piece. And at the end of the day, if you are happy with it, all is good.
But dont ask for opinions and then act up when people disagree with you.
Personally i am undecided about the spange. Date box looks good but the rest is a mess. I would not buy it.Comment
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Hi Casper! In the next couple of three decades, I'm not going to sell it. And then we'll see who was right! )) Regards, EdwardOriginally posted by Casper View PostComment
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Edward is a man who, if he buys something, it MUST be original !!!
I remember him arguing in other threads that EK2 1939 - Floch Fake 333 is the original. Maybe he's interested in it.
When he did not like the comments, he was very nervous. Time to move on.Last edited by Eryk; 08-16-2020, 03:35 PM.Comment
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Sure.Originally posted by Edward 1970 View Post
Of course that is the reason....`
But, as I already stated : it is you clasp and I hope you are happy with it.
In 30 years it still isn't an original.
No matter how hard you defend it, or call anyone that doesn't like it jealous.
If you keep doing that no one will bother to comment on your treads,.
Here's my Prinzen collection, they're also in Mario Alt's book.
At a certain point I even had 2 of these very rare S&L Prinzen claps.
So no, I'm not offended, I am just trying to show you the obvious.
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well. Are your two examples of S&L Prinzen claps in zinc?Comment
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If you had read my previous replies you should have known they are in buntmetall.
I have never seen any Prinzen clasp in zinc, and I don't think I ever will.
As far as I know they are always in BM.
If I had found yours I wouldn't have bought it if it was 20 euro's.
It's been a long time that I ran into a collector that was so persistent in defending a questionable item.
I wish you lots of luck , especially when trying to sell it later on.
From now on I will stay clear from commenting on stuff you post, since you refuse to accept your items may be fake or bad.Last edited by ben bijker; 08-18-2020, 02:02 AM.Comment
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Our dialogue is meaningless. Your claims are unfounded. The examples you showed are irrelevant to the topic. You cannot show me a zinc sample for comparison. You cannot prove that S&L Prinzen made of zinc does not exist. You can only assert this unfoundedly. I tend to trust the opinion of a more qualified specialist, such as Philippe de Bock.
At least he is well versed in the technology of production of such items and can distinguish the original from a fake. Otherwise, he would not have written his two-volume book on tank signs. I don't like the top of the fastener myself, but that doesn't make the fastener any less original!
Good luck to you!. Study the materials deeper and never say never.Last edited by Dietrich Maerz; 08-19-2020, 07:50 AM.Comment
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I agree the dialogue is meaningless.
My claims are based on my experience.
No, I can't show you a zinc example because I don't have one.
Reason I don't have one: to me they are not authentic.
Ah, Philippe de Bock is an expert on clasps as well?
Good!
I read the thread and he changes his ind very easily, based on (mainly) your opinion.
Thanks for the tip, I am glad you are open to opinions and not arrogant at all....
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At least he understands production technology and rely on scientific knowledge, and you only know your experience and nothing more.Originally posted by ben bijker View PostComment
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Edward: you are getting very annoying.
But that is probably what you are after, pissing off people that disagree with you.
You're the first one I have met that says experience is worth nothing....
A quite unusual point of view.
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Even in spite of your forty years of experience in collecting, your disbelief is ONLY YOUR OPINION, which is not a proof. I am more than sure that you had the opportunity to buy this item, but because of your stubborn disbelief in this item, you yourself abandoned it and misled others. And now you are trying to justify your mistake by continuing to claim that it is a fake, without providing any evidence. And the truth is, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and flies like a duck, then it's a duck!Comment
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