57 rk

[bytown]

My first 57 RK.

First core, C frame.

Both loop and reverse marked 800.

Wayne

[Matthieu]

Wayne, my friend ...

If there is one thing I can enjoy looking at ... its an 1st pattern core S&L RK.
And I must say, for a "C" frame you have picked and exceptional looking piece.

Not sure if you know, but you have the "C" frame which already shows the "bleeding flaw" on the 9 o'clock arm ( see red circle ).
Up till now I have only seen it on 2nd pattern core S&L RK's ... hence a scarcer variant on the "C" frame which is still missing from my collection .

Thanks for sharing ... please, do post more close-ups of this lovely piece.

Grtz
Mathijs

[bytown]

Thanks Mathijs.

I knew it was a C frame but didn't realize there was more to it.

I've just started collecting 57ers.

Bitten by the bug already.

Only have 5 pieces. The RK, EKI, EKII and a bronze and silver IAB.

Wayne

[bytown]

Two more pictures.

Wayne

[sam steele]

Congrats, neighbour....that RK is surely a beauty.

And a happy birthday to you Mathijs!

Cheers,

Bill

[bytown]

Thanks Bill.

Wayne

[Arthur Spooner]

Always nice to see a 1st pattern core Ritterkreuz

[Arthur Spooner]

... but I am wondering about the marked loop ??

Never seen on 57er RKs ??

[bytown]

... but I am wondering about the marked loop ??

Never seen on 57er RKs ??

Good question.

Maybe some of the more experienced 57 collectors could enlighten us.

Wayne

[Nigel N]

interesting RK!!!
The loop i think must be a later replacement? ( unless its a wartimer)
There are a couple of things about the RK, including the combo of 1st pattern core with a well flawed C frame, that makes me think this could possibly be a later piece made from various leftover parts, Mathijs already has examples of this, including a B and a C frame on the same cross!!!
Still a great RK, and even more interesting because of the unusual mix!!!!
-Nigel

[bytown]

Any educated guesses as to the period of manufacture?

Wayne

[Nigel N]

I'd say early to mid 60's, if i'm right about it being a combination of the, then current production C frame, coupled with an earlier 1st pattern core!
If the C frame appeared earlier than i thought, then it could be late 50's early 60's, i'd like to hear what the other guys think??
Looking at the photo's, the core paint, especially on the reverse looks a little later than the finish found on the very early pieces??
-Nigel

[bytown]

Thanks Nigel.

57's are interesting for sure.

Wayne

[Matthieu]

Looking at the width of the loop, I assume its a modern reproduction ( you can find them on eBay ).
I have not yet come across a "800" marked loop on the 57ers ... normally they come with a slim silver plated loop.

By the way .... would that be the one which sold on e-stand some time ago by Trevor ?

Grtz
Mathijs

[bytown]

It was.

We did a swap.

Wayne