EK2 cross 1914 frame 1939

[kid74]

https://ak-group.ru/forum/showthread...071#post326071


WR Kirill

[Dansson]

The core is ok, but it seems paired with a fake frame that I've often seen on fake 1939 crosses.

[Green]

I wonder.... why fake? Could it not be a repaired one (only new frame) as we see by other Iron Crosses 1813 and 1870. Of course when it is a frame from a fake Iron Cross, this make no sence!

[kid74]

The core is ok, but it seems paired with a fake frame that I've often seen on fake 1939 crosses.

Please show me what fake crosses with this frame are we talking about?

WR Kirill

[Dansson]

Please show me what fake crosses with this frame are we talking about?

WR Kirill

Hi,

here's a few links. The first has better quality pictures and the second, well bad pictures but of the same frame type.
The frame on this tries to be an S&L frame but it isn't.

https://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/for...=raub+und+mord

https://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/for...ron+cross+fake

Best regards,
Daniel

[kid74]

Hi,

here's a few links. The first has better quality pictures and the second, well bad pictures but of the same frame type.
The frame on this tries to be an S&L frame but it isn't.

https://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/for...=raub+und+mord

https://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/for...ron+cross+fake

Best regards,
Daniel

Thank you Daniel!

Streptill's claim is very interesting about the fake EK1. I'm going to study it. But the frames are not identical, they are only similar. Everything else is just speculation.

WR Kirill

[kid74]

interesting:


https://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/for...ght=Schinkel-B


WR Kirill

[Dansson]

Here's the frame type I was talking about. Notice the much softer inner edges of the frame (compared to an authentic S&L type frame).


https://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/for...17#post8723817

[kid74]

Here's the frame type I was talking about. Notice the much softer inner edges of the frame (compared to an authentic S&L type frame).


https://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/for...17#post8723817

Thank You Daniel! I already noticed this post ) As they say - The beast runs to hunter! )

WR Kirill

[streptile]

Aww, this made me nostalgic for Kay.

that is an early core in a WW2 frame

A WW2 frame that could not be identified and matched by the WW2 specialists .


in such circumstances and in the light of recant developments and newest revelations
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=784107

the word Frankenstein in combination with fake frame comes to mind ...

until someone matches the frame to a WW1 or WW2 maker by photo comparing ,
people can tell you want they will but ,,you keep on fooling yourself .


odd crosses,,,, crosses not only the missing relation with imperial but most of all,,,,,,,,,,,,,
every WW2 frame in odd combinations is suspicious right from the start .
(WW2 collectors can sing a lot of story's about that,you can ask them )


to your pictures,,, i think your cross was taken apart ,,better and closer closeups of the upper frame soldering are needed to be sure of that .




regards kay