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    #301
    Here is a Volksmarine officer oath from the 60's. (if you want a better picture just ask).

    I don't believe the oath was a problem for the transfer in the BW, the first problem was the huge number of officers in the NVA and the way they were trained. BTW, I believe that Dirk served 1 year in the Bundeswehr after the reuification.

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      #302
      Hi Garulfo,

      Thanks for the info.

      I was there when the transition took place, and every evening on German Television, there were updates with respect to how the transition and integration was going. I recall very clearly that there was a big deal being made about an additional line in the oath taken by officers that was not present in the oath taken by other ranks, that was looked upon by the former West German Politburo as unacceptable. I cannot today recall what the language difference (just a simple line/sentence) was between the two, but it was profound, and initially for a few weeks, there was talk of not permitting any officers at all the right to transition to the Bundeswehr. But then after a time, they permitted former NVA junior officers the opportunity to transition if they desired to do so. Many of course did not, due the fact most were required to step down in rank a grade or two.
      Michael D. GALLAGHER

      M60-A2 Tank Commander Cold War proverb: “You can accomplish more with a kind word and a ‘Shillelagh’ than you can with just a kind word.”

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        #303
        Originally posted by Thälmannpionier
        KVP!!

        interesting about this one is the Button from the Tunic. looks like the later NVA Buttons to me

        the Visor Hat is just lovely

        Hello,

        any Info available regarding the Button style from the Photo #293??
        Regards

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          #304
          Originally posted by Michael D. Gallagher
          Reportedly, after unification, that was one of the reasons virtually no officers were permitted in the Bundeswehr.
          None ??? I have heard the contrary... just a few did switch to the BW, but they did...

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            #305
            Here is the GT oath

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              #306
              Originally posted by olivyaya
              None ??? I have heard the contrary... just a few did switch to the BW, but they did...
              Olivier - I didn't say none. I said at the very beginning virtually none. I also went on to say that after a few weeks (After much heated debate) they permitted NVA junior officers the option of switching over to the Bundeswehr, but ususally with a one to two rank deduction.

              Thanks very much for posting an example of the oath.
              Last edited by Michael D. Gallagher; 08-14-2006, 05:05 PM.
              Michael D. GALLAGHER

              M60-A2 Tank Commander Cold War proverb: “You can accomplish more with a kind word and a ‘Shillelagh’ than you can with just a kind word.”

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                #307
                can anyone translate this stuff? I don't have a good software program for this stuff.
                Michael Gray

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                  #308
                  Gents,
                  there was the "unit flag oath" which every NVA member had to swear.
                  And than we as professional officers had to swear the "oficer´s vow" (Offiziersgelöbnis), if we were declaired to Lieutenants.
                  In the Grenztruppen it was similar.


                  Afterthe unificazion of NVA and Bundeswehr we had to swear the Bundeswehr oath. But I only took place and don´t speak the oath. Because they cancelled me, and I did know that already at this moment...
                  I was in the Bundeswehr from October 1990 to April 1991....

                  Ciao, Dirk

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                    #309
                    Not exactly Military, but I thought someone might like to see it. 1950 flag
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                      #310
                      Originally posted by Michael D. Gallagher
                      Olivier - I didn't say none. I said at the very beginning virtually none. I also went on to say that after a few weeks (After much heated debate) they permitted NVA junior officers the option of switching over to the Bundeswehr, but ususally with a one to two rank deduction.
                      Thanks very much for posting an example of the oath.

                      http://cgi.ebay.de/NVA-Armeerundscha...QQcmdZViewItem

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                        #311
                        Will this issue of Armee Randshau be the last one?

                        The sad time is closing....

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                          #312
                          Originally posted by 81REDSTAR
                          Will this issue of Armee Randshau be the last one?

                          The sad time is closing....
                          It's the last issue of Aumee Rundshau, I have all of 88, 89 and 90 except issue 6 which is probably still to be found in a box in the garage. If anyone is interested in seeing the actual article that the cover refers to I can scan it.

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                            #313
                            Originally posted by ritterkreuz1945
                            can anyone translate this stuff? I don't have a good software program for this stuff.
                            Michael Gray
                            From Forster's "The East German Army; Second in the Warsaw Pact":

                            I swear:
                            at all times loyally to serve my fatherland, the German Democratic
                            Republic, and to protect it against any enemy when so ordered by the
                            workers'-and-farmers' government;
                            I swear:
                            as a soldier of the National People's Army to be ready at all times, side
                            by side with the Soviet Army and the armies of the socialist countries
                            allied to us, to defend socialism against all enemies and to stake my life
                            for the achievement of victory;
                            I swear:
                            to be an honourable, brave, disciplined and watchful soldier, to render
                            unconditional obedience to my military superiors, to fulfil my orders
                            with every determination and always strictly to observe military and
                            state secrets;
                            I swear:
                            conscientiously to acquire military knowledge and observe military reg-
                            ulations, and always and everywhere to guard the honour of our
                            Republic and of its National People's Army.
                            Should I ever violate this, my solemn military oath, may I suffer the
                            stern penalties of the laws of our Republic and the contempt of the
                            working people.

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                              #314
                              SHOW YOUR NVA/DDR PHOTOS
                              or am I the only one who collects Photos


                              Soviet and NVA Generals like Hoffmann and Kessler visiting a Kaserne in Brandenburg
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