Gents - On the bottom right, an interesting example of the short-lived Land Hesse border guard patch.
Opinions?
Currently available on Manion's.
TJ
Opinions?
Currently available on Manion's.
TJ
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Also on Manion's is this interesting variation of the standard BGS helmet.
Dispatch riders, parachutists?Comment
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Front view.Comment
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Originally posted by Guardian 5 View Post
TJ
They both look good to me, although I'd prefer to see the background before I made definitive assesment.
Those LandPol patches are getting harder and harder to find.
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Rear view.Comment
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BGS or earlier??
This German tunic was shown in the ww2 section and somebody said it might be BGS because it does not look like a WW2 German Army tunic.
Somebody had fixed it up with fake SD insignia...
So is it West German (early BGS?) or Third Reich paramilitary?
(it lacks the dark green edge piping which you would usually expect for WW2 Zollgrenzschutz...)
Unfortunately no tailor tags or stamps anywhere...
More pictures here:
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...highlight=zollLast edited by NickG; 11-02-2008, 01:12 AM.Comment
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NickG,
Doesn't look like BGS to me. Material doesn't look correct nor the placement of the lower pockets in relation to the upper ones. Since there are no markings in it it will be hard to track down.
I've moved a photo of an early BGS uniform from a nother post on this thread to here for comparison purposes.
Regards,
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NickOriginally posted by NickG View Post
That is one ugly tunic. I can't recall seeing anything remotely similar. I can't even begin to fathom a guess as to what this was intended to be.
Look at the offset placement of the lower two pockets. That would probably be the best indicator of who used it. It is not anything I have seen in police use. At least the police agencies I am familiar with.
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Perhaps foreign made? or war time zoll?
I don't want to wander from the BGS theme but look here...
war time customs officials... looks similar...Last edited by NickG; 11-02-2008, 04:13 PM.Comment
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Now shown with pinned on war time zoll insignia...
Of course it lacks the green edge piping for war time
zoll but they did not always have that...
Now it does not look that ugly anymore!!!
So if its not BGS...., not early West German, is it ReichsZoll
(Zoll grenzschutz)?Last edited by NickG; 11-02-2008, 04:28 PM.Comment
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NickG,
Your tunic looks much better this way. Imposible to say if it is war time Zoll but it is a lot closer to that than BGS. If I were you I would check for maker marks on the backs of the buttons.
Regards,
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But that is no proof for a wartime tunic. There are a lot of early post war police tunics with pebbled buttons dated out of the 40´s. Are there any stamps inside?If I were you I would check for maker marks on the backs of the buttons.Comment
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The back of the buttons are standard Assmann marked: "Assmann & Sohne Ludenscheid" with the "A" mark and appear to be TR period based on the patina/color and pebble pattern, but that's not always waterproof...I agree!
No tailor tags no signs of removed tags...so most likely indeed a TR uniform of para military origin (not BGS) so it will be restored to Zoll as that's the closest I can come up with, even though the tunic lacks the zoll green edge piping on the buttoned front which was a standard feuture on most Zoll (customs)uniforms...
(not always done on field uniforms and this uniform is in course wool...)NickComment
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Found this on German website about Landrovers. There are some nice early 1950s photos that show the "Ike jackets" and wear of Sumpftarn jackets with graugrün trousers and Dienstmütze (something I had suspected was done but never confirmed). Also stills from 1950s BGS recruiting film reel "Fur Frieden und Freiheit".
http://www.tempo-landrover.de/D/bgs.html
Never seen these helmet covers before. Look solid-coloured (Tannengrün?):
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