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Originally posted by JanC View PostThere are a lot of good books about this topic (all in Dutch of course):
- The complete series of "Vlaanderen in Uniform"
- De schaduw van de bevrijding (België 44 - 45) (Peter schrijvers) --> The book I've told about in this thread
- En nu gaan ze boeten (Geert Clerbout) --> The other book I've told about in this thread
- Repressie zonder maat of einde (Prof Raymond Derine)
- Vlamingen aan het Oostfront (Uitgeverij De Krijger) --> more military oriented
- Oostfronters (Bruno De Wever)
- Oostfronters (Jonathan Trigg)
- The Last Knight of Flanders (Allen Brandt)
Thanks for that list. Of course, The Last Knight of Flanders is in English. It's a good book that I also recommend.
I have volumes 1-7 of Vlaanderen in Uniform, though I don't read Dutch very well. But they are wonderful books, from which I learned a lot. I still need the companion volume Archivalia.
I believe the Trigg book is a translation of his English-language book Hitler's Flemish Lions. I skip Trigg's books because they seem somewhat superficial, but I have glanced at this one.
I also have Martin Conway's Collaboration in Belgium, which is a study of Rex and Walloons. It examines the post war retribution as part of the larger story of Rex.Comment
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You are right about the Trigg book. It is the translation of the English version and as you told it is quiet superficial. You must read the "Oostfronters" from Bruno De Wever (He is the brother of the president of the N-VA right wing party). This goes a little more in depth about the "why" in military collaboration.Originally posted by MarcRikmenspoel View Post
I also have some books about the Walloon legion. Very interesting with a lot of photos.
Are you Belgian or Dutch from origin?
Cheers
JanComment
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My dad was from the Netherlands, but I was born and raised in the USA. I can read military German fairly well, such as a Kriegstagebuch or a Vorschlag, and I can read Dutch a bit based on my knowledge of German (Ooorlog = Krieg, Panser = Panzer, and so on).
My mom was American, and we only spoke English at home. I studied Spanish as my foreign language at school, and read that language well. Based on that, I can read French to some extent, especially on military matters. As you may know, I helped the Walloon collaboration expert Eddy De Bruyne with his English-language book For Rex and For Belgium. Eddy prepared his own translation edited from his French-language works, and I edited the manuscript for publication (published by Helion in 2004, and still available as a pdf download).
I have some familiarity with the topic of the post-war trials for both Flanders and Wallonia, but I'm interested in learning more, and also learning more about the collaboration in general. I'll look into the De Wever book. I'm also interested in the Dutch-language biography of Raf Van Hulse I've sen online.
Sorry to everyone else for taking this so far off topic, but hopefully this tangent is of some interest to some of you!Comment
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I've seen Fury in theatres two times. I've never done that with any other movie. I was just really, really impressed. But then again, I hadn't really heard about it before it got in the cinemas, so I didn't really know what to expect.
Bad things first: The final battle was utter bull**** en way too long. Just the fact they get in and out of the tank two times and are not dead is rubbish. So is the fact that all Panzerfausts the Germans had in the beginning magically disappear and everytime one of the crew is killed, the enemy appears to take a small break.
But, until they hit that mine, it is just a very VERY good movie. I dare to say it is the best American movie about world war two that's ever made. The attention to detail is amazing, and not just the uniforms, equipment and vehicles. There were so many facts that are hardly or never mentioned in any other (major) American film.
-Children who are forced to fight
-Civilians, women, children being hanged or shot because they don't want to fight
-the enormous allied air-fleet that raided German cities until the very end
-civilians who strayed the countryside because they got bombed out of their houses
And off course the general insanity of war. The attitude towards death and killing. Everyone in that tank is mentally completely eroded. They've actually fallen apart and they know it too. They just can not face it because they would completely break down.
The scene in the appartment was without a doubt the best in the film and one of the best dramascènes I've seen in any movie in a very long time. Very powerful on many levels!Last edited by jurggie; 09-24-2015, 12:28 PM.Comment
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US Army prosecuted 500 soldiers for rape in France in the months following D-Day.... and the French were on the allied side.... bad things happened... I am sure Germany was not spared...Originally posted by Top Buzzer View PostComment
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But the up side is someone turned those 500 soldiers inOriginally posted by Chris Boonzaier View Post
My Step Dad was pulling guard duty in Viet Nam one night and a Major jumped a fence heading for the local village to rape any woman he could find. I forgot the details but my Step Dad either detained him or called the MP's who basically caught him in such a way as to make it clear what he was up to. Don't know how busted he got over it maybe they just transferred him. But Decent troops will police the bad ones. At least in decades past.
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PS, Fury is for sale at Wal Mart for under 13 dollars.Comment
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Still overpriced by about $12.50.Originally posted by PlaceOfBayonets View PostWhen you go home
Tell them for us and say
For your tomorrow
We gave our today
--Inscription in the 5th Marine Division cemetery,
Iwo Jima 1945Comment
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look again,,,it was a p.38 that was used...Originally posted by Aqu View PostTwo great scenes. Room where local NSDAP party leaders and their wiwes have committed suecide. Very good dialog there.
That Tiger tank was awesome. Tank knocked out. Two escaped panzerman shot and one starts shooting sherman with his luger.
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Watched it tonight for the 2nd time at home on the big screen
Its not so bad ! I rather enjoyed itComment
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Fury Movie Stirs Varied Responses
I'm not sure I want to enter this free-for-all but being as I had relatives on both sides
and I am an avid WWII collector and movie buff, I will say this: Fury is the first movie I have seen that deals with American misconduct in the field with a hint of reality. Prisoners shot out of hand. Women raped. Looting and plunder. Do not
say it gives a bad example for the coming generations, because these things happened. Maybe not the norm, but they happened. Read the book "After the Reich"
by Giles Macdonough. Also refer to Ambrose's "Band of Brothers" for details on
looting and conduct/misconduct.
As for the show, I bought it and have watched it several times. It always floors me how value judgments over motion pictures trump a sharp historic enquiry. It's
great to see entertainment try to pretend history, but you have to go beyond Hollywood stereotypes to know history. As for leading man Brad Pitt, he has never
been my favorite but I liked him in "Fury". If you want to pan a movie, do so to
"Inglorious Basterds".Comment
Unlike the film which was not
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