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    #16
    Jody B.
    Breaker Morant (4 stars): another great film and I actually show this film to my World History class
    Yes - an excellent film , Woodward plays it well.

    Thin Red Line , - It grew on me .
    U-571 Utter rubbish !
    I loved the line "All these dials , they are in german !!"
    What the feck did they expect ????

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      #17
      Das Boot (WWII)

      and

      The Lost Battalion (WWI)

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        #18
        How come Enemy at the Gate was not an extremely authentic movie to list for them?

        didn't the guy who wrote the book about it do reasearch for 25 years on the subject. Did the movie not follow the book?

        just wondering because I thought the movie was supposed to be pretty accurate.

        I have never read the accounts, and of course, due to the terrible russian propaganda, you have to wonder that any russian sources, and some of the german sources, were untrue to begin with.

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          #19
          This is from Sniper Central

          There is great debate over wether the legendary WWII German sniper that was sent to Stalingrad to dispatch of Vasili Zaitzev was Konig, Thorvald, or even wether he existed at all. In fact in the actual Soviet war records, it originally showed up as a Maj. Erwin Konig, which is in fact a very basic and plain German Name at the time. In Vasili Zaitsev's war memoirs, he later refers to him as Heinz Thorvald, which was yet another popular German name in that time period. Thorvald seems to be the name that is used more now, and its confusing as to which it was, and if they were the same person, or one was a mistake, or wether the German Super Sniper was fabricated by the Soviet press to represent the German army, or German snipers on a "whole", and that the story was just a means of providing morale for the Soviet troops. The two names are on official Soviet war records, but there is no record of either name in the German record books (not to say they couldn't have removed the name to save grace). Any way you look at it, its confusing and debatable. Since both names appear in Soviet propaganda and war records, Konig in early war records and Thorvald in Zaitsevs memoirs and in later war records, I have included them both on the list until there is concrete proof that one or the other, or both, did not exist.

          In regards to Vasili Zaitsev, there is no doubt he existed, and was a very accomplished and successful sniper.

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            #20
            thanks fore the info. makes sense to me that it is very possible the the soviets made up the whole german character.

            what is certain, is that there were good german snipers I'm sure because they never stopped their sniper training like the americans did after WWI. isn't that correct?

            now while I believe that the russian sniper hero existed, and knowing how decieving and careless the soviet propagandists and desperate russian commanders where, do you really think he can take credit for all the kills he is listed for?

            I don't trust any soviet information at all.

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              #21
              Everyone has mentioned some great ones, including A Time to Love and a Time to Die.

              I'd add that Europa, Europa is a film that doesn't get mentioned alot. I also would suggest A Bright Shining Lie, The Pentagon Wars and one of my all time favorites Gardens of Stone.

              Least Favorite

              U-571
              Don't believe everything you read on the internet, that's how WWI got started.

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                #22
                i have been told my sevral Marines from the Viet Nam Era that Full Metal Jacket was fairly authentic,wheras Platoon wasnt.
                i think Hamburger Hill was pretty close as well

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                  #23
                  Europe, Europa

                  Originally posted by Michael Root View Post
                  I'd add that Europa, Europa is a film that doesn't get mentioned alot.
                  Hi Michael,
                  What about the scene in Europe, Europa in which the Jewish kid tries to make it look like he still has foreskin? I wonder how authentic that was?

                  Regards,
                  Jody

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                    #24
                    Realistic in what way? The battle scenes and how they appear? Uniforms / Medals and Insignia worn by the combatants? Or the general storyline and attention to detail in events that actually took place?

                    Several films do very good in one area, not so much in others.

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                      #25
                      [QUOTE

                      Breaker Morant[/U][/B] (4 stars): another great film and I actually show this film to my World History class.

                      ToRegards,
                      Jody[/QUOTE]


                      Jody, I think that's cool that you showed Breaker Morant in class. I've always thought that was a good film for discussion. Along with The Pianist, Amistad or good old Jerimiah Johnson. I also used to show parts of Ride with the Devil which is pretty good about a part of Civil War history we Missourinans were close to -- The border war -- Guess what? We have a new principle who has decided there is no merit for history classes to show films.

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                        #26
                        Films

                        Originally posted by Dennis White View Post
                        [QUOTE Guess what? We have a new principle who has decided there is no merit for history classes to show films.
                        Hi Dennis,
                        I think some history teachers can abuse the use of films. For example, I know one teacher that shows the crap film Pearl Harbor to his class, in his opinion, much better than Tora! Tora! Toara!.

                        On the other hand certain films can be a valid teaching tool, good examples are films like Ride With The Devil, ZULU, Breaker Morant, All Quiet on the Western Front, and the 1st 20+ minutes of S.P.R., etc. I must say that your principle is flat wrong. That would not happen in my school district thank goodness.

                        Regards,
                        Jody

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                          #27
                          Hi Michael,
                          What about the scene in Europe, Europa in which the Jewish kid tries to make it look like he still has foreskin? I wonder how authentic that was?
                          That was rough I think he used safety pins?

                          Q: Were no "Germans" circumsized? I have a book that tells the story of a handful of German Jews that were able to hide their identity and serve in the Wehrmacht... they had to have used a public shower or trough at one point?

                          How about the Albanian (I think) who tries to prove that he's not Jewish by dropping his pants in front of the germans.

                          I'd also add Schindler's List as a must see. When this came out it was mandatory viewing for one of my college classes.
                          Don't believe everything you read on the internet, that's how WWI got started.

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Michael Root View Post
                            How about the Albanian (I think) who tries to prove that he's not Jewish by dropping his pants in front of the germans.

                            I'd also add Schindler's List as a must see. When this came out it was mandatory viewing for one of my college classes.
                            Armenian.

                            I would also add Schindler's List to that list.

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                              #29
                              My two cents:

                              The Russian Come And See from 1985 is a most excellent little known master piece which I think captures the madness on the eastern front from a little boys perspective in a very special and realistic way. Somewhat "arty" but very realistic and dead serious. Some pretty disturbing "einsatz gruppe" action in the end. The props and uniforms are amazingly correct. The equipment, uniform and "soldier" realism combined with a strange and very eerie feeling that I have not encountered in any war movie before (or after) makes this a strangely authentic movie.

                              The Finns have produced some really excellent war movies. Notable contributions are both versions of Unknown Soldier ("Tuntematon Sotilas") . Both the original '55 and newer '85 versions are quite excellent (however I prefer the '55 version...). I'm not aware if there is an English translated version. Another excellent Finnish movie is The Winter War ("Talvisota") from 1989. Not a single Hollywood "gasoline explosion" in the whole movie. You almost get the impression they have used real explosives... it is VERY realistic.

                              Stanley Kubricks Paths of Glory is also a classic although it is more a "moral issue" movie than a "straight forward" war movie. By this i mean that the actual combat and battle is more a "side show" and not the central part of the plot.

                              On my list of favourite unrealistic war movies The Eagle Has Landed is an absolute favourite.
                              Last edited by Sigurd Helge; 06-13-2007, 11:41 AM.

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                                #30
                                THANKYOU, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIND OUT THE NAME OF THE TALVISOTA MOVIE.
                                Originally posted by Sigurd Helge View Post
                                My two cents:

                                The Russian Come And See from 1985 is a most excellent little known master piece which I think captures the madness on the eastern front from a little boys perspective in a very special and realistic way. Somewhat "arty" but very realistic and dead serious. Some pretty disturbing "einsatz gruppe" action in the end. The props and uniforms are amazingly correct. The equipment, uniform and "soldier" realism combined with a strange and very eerie feeling that I have not encountered in any war movie before (or after) makes this a strangely authentic movie.

                                The Finns have produced some really excellent war movies. Notable contributions are both versions of Unknown Soldier ("Tuntematon Sotilas") . Both the original '55 and newer '85 versions are quite excellent (however I prefer the '55 version...). I'm not aware if there is an English translated version. Another excellent Finnish movie is The Winter War ("Talvisota") from 1989. Not a single Hollywood "gasoline explosion" in the whole movie. You almost get the impression they have used real explosives... it is VERY realistic.

                                Stanley Kubricks Paths of Glory is also a classic although it is more a "moral issue" movie than a "straight forward" war movie. By this i mean that the actual combat and battle is more a "side show" and not the central part of the plot.

                                On my list of favourite unrealistic war movies The Eagle Has Landed is an absolute favourite.

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