Dr. Mengele Passport Found

[Historyisme]

Is Vera going to be at the SOS ?

And what about Vera now?

Will she finally lose her job?!

[Thorsten B.]

Oh..the King has realized that the peasants are revolting.

Now let´s wait for the King´s speech.

[11C]

Oh..the King has realized that the peasants are revolting.

Now let´s wait for the King´s speech.

I'm ready for some cake.

[Craig Gottlieb]

??? What does that have to do with anything. It's that kind of childish irrelevance which perfectly illustrates why WAF is not my "workspace" for this project.

[alexanderautogr]

Sorry folks … I’ve been sick with the Norovirus for the past few days, in addition to being quite busy after our auction closed. I've said this, and I will say it again.

In the past couple of weeks, I have gathered a ton of compelling information with help from some very serious scholarly entities, said research having begun long before this story broke. Resources that I am incredibly fortunate enough to count as contributors to this project. I am building a tremendous case (what case, I will not say). I will publish my findings in full, in due time. My work will bring immediate satisfaction neither to forum voyeurs & internet bullies seeking entertainment or sport, nor to Bill Panagopolis. I serve the truth and history here, and will reveal everything when I am ready.

Rest assured, that my findings will satisfy both the most discriminating skeptic and spirited believer. There will be no further comments from me until my work is done, other than to reiterate what I've stated above.

Then why, Craig, did you initially claim the passport was authentic, then backtrack (after I spoke to you with my concerns) and say it "might" be a contemporary forgery?

Why, Craig, in the face of unrelenting criticism, do you still refuse to reveal any findings, when you all but dropped your pants on television?

Why, Craig, do you refuse to reveal images of the passport, refuse to reveal who your "very serious scholarly entities" are, refuse to reveal the name of the seller, and refuse to reveal their specialties? Even to an impartial third party?

Why, Craig, does every critical thread to which you respond begin with an excuse for your extended absence?

Why, Craig, do you insult people here, especially me, when I tried to help you - and you turned me away?

Why, Craig, did you or your proxy change the Wikipedia entry for Mengele and vandalize the Alexander entry?

And why, Craig, do you consistently misspell my name? It's P-A-N-A-G-O-P-U-L-O-S. I can arrange to have it tattooed to the inside of your eyelids, if you'd like.

[Craig Gottlieb]

Again, my point proven exactly. A SMALL but vocal group of forum bullies who repeatedly make a mockery out of the scholarship both available and present here. That, and those who feel entitled to information on THEIR terms, and on THEIR schedule. Sarcasm and rudeness rule the day, I'm sad to say. No matter, my earlier statement remains.

[Belten]

In the past couple of weeks, I have gathered a ton of compelling information with help from some very serious scholarly entities

[alexanderautogr]

"Truth...history...and the American Way"

[CWP]

Sorry folks … I’ve been sick with the Norovirus for the past few days, in addition to being quite busy after our auction closed. I've said this, and I will say it again.

In the past couple of weeks, I have gathered a ton of compelling information with help from some very serious scholarly entities, said research having begun long before this story broke. Resources that I am incredibly fortunate enough to count as contributors to this project. I am building a tremendous case (what case, I will not say). I will publish my findings in full, in due time. My work will bring immediate satisfaction neither to forum voyeurs & internet bullies seeking entertainment or sport, nor to Bill Panagopolis. I serve the truth and history here, and will reveal everything when I am ready.

Rest assured, that my findings will satisfy both the most discriminating skeptic and spirited believer. There will be no further comments from me until my work is done, other than to reiterate what I've stated above.

Mr. Gottlieb, I have bought from you before, spoken to you on the phone and found you very helpful. I appreciate your customer service and attention to detail. But this... I'm sorry. I am truly sad to see it go down like this. Who do you think you are fooling? Why would you run to the press to break this story before completing research that apparently has been ongoing for four months now? Why would you be pitching this to the media before getting the answers? And you expect us to believe that you are building a tremendous case which could go either way? "I know it's real... I'm going to have images reproduced in larger format for museum use... for me this is the most important thing I’ve ever owned... People asked me how I know when something’s real, and I have a hard time explaining it. I just know... This was a self-authenticating artifact."

You've gone on record with that- those are your own words. You have been shouting from the rooftops that this thing was real, promoting it, now you are in the midst of an authentication process that is going to take a lot of time? Where, exactly, is the logic in that? In what universe does that make any sense at all? And the Wikipedia entries... Shameful, really. Tremendously embarrassing. I've never been a part of the dealer hating crowd, and it's nothing personal, but I'm going to give the same comments I would give any Forum member who created such an absurd predicament: man up, take the blame, accept reality and move on. You've screwed up and now even if the thing is real you've managed to bungle it.

[Historyisme]

Belten:

[Craig Gottlieb]

I'm sorry ... I'm fooling nobody, nor am I trying to. Has it not POSSIBLY occurred to you that this story is part of a larger project? Has it NOT occurred to you that I might POSSIBLY have plans that fall outside the scope or interest of the forum? I didn't say I would NOT share my findings, but that I am not sharing them here, and yet. Why is that so hard not to understand?

As I said earlier, if I was "fooled" I will obviously be man enough to admit it, but I am just NOT going to be providing play-by-play fodder here, because I have OTHER things to consider. Obviously, I don't enjoy having my name dragged through the mud ... why would I stay conspicuously silent unless I had a GOOD REASON to do so. I can't be clearer enough.

In fairness, I did just read the Wikipedia entry (I have a publicist, which many may find alarming). I do agree that it should come down, and have asked them to do this.

[Belten]

I have a publicist, which many may find alarming

I find it alarming that your publicist is still being paid.

[alexanderautogr]

Again, my point proven exactly. A SMALL but vocal group of forum bullies who repeatedly make a mockery out of the scholarship both available and present here. That, and those who feel entitled to information on THEIR terms, and on THEIR schedule. Sarcasm and rudeness rule the day, I'm sad to say. No matter, my earlier statement remains.

So what I (and others) presented wasn't "valid" enough in your eyes? If not, whose "scholarship" is being mocked? Yours? I haven't seen anyone post anything supporting your claim that the passport was a contemporary original, or fake.

Here are the names of some IMO very dubious "forensic examiners" in advance of the unveiling of your "research":

Christopher Morales, Don Frangipani, Drew Max (a terrible examiner and a co-star with you on Pawn Stars!), CCSA...and a lot more which don't come to mind.

[Craig Gottlieb]

They are being paid because their audience is not here, and they get me regular gigs on TV and in the news. And that brings me more artifacts, which brings me profit for my business and family, as well as collectibles for you. It's not complicated. I so preferred the Norovirus to this. Why can't I be sick again!

[Johnny R]

"which brings me profit for my business and family" When all is said and done this is all I see.