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    #31
    Originally posted by Obersalzberg View Post
    thats simply not true. Yes they wanted an end to the war...but a Victorious end.
    following the plot it is known that General Officers were harangued in the street as the perception was their involvement was 100%
    Ok, the German veterans are wrong, they wanted to continue the War until Germany was the pile of rubbish it was after the War.

    You have an interesting perception of reality. Perception of reality is often more imporant than the actual reality

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      #32
      Originally posted by Tim OK View Post
      Ok, the German veterans are wrong, they wanted to continue the War until Germany was the pile of rubbish it was after the War.

      You have an interesting perception of reality. Perception of reality is often more imporant than the actual reality
      So, they wanted peace at any price....? I dont think so. The Battle for Berlin proves the will of the German soldier to defend his land....even when all seems lost.

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        #33
        Originally posted by Obersalzberg View Post
        So, they wanted peace at any price....? I dont think so. The Battle for Berlin proves the will of the German soldier to defend his land....even when all seems lost.
        Change that to "even when all is lost" & who's land were the Germans defending in Afrika, Russia, France, etc ?

        Most Germans knew the War was lost in '43/44 if not earlier (Rommel & the DAK knew it in '42)....just depended on which front you served. If the attempt had succeeded and peace had followed, pretty sure most Germans would have been happy with that. Of course there were a few that would fight on for that glorious victory

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          #34
          Originally posted by Tim OK View Post
          Change that to "even when all is lost" & who's land were the Germans defending in Afrika, Russia, France, etc ?

          Most Germans knew the War was lost in '43/44 if not earlier (Rommel & the DAK knew it in '42)....just depended on which front you served. If the attempt had succeeded and peace had followed, pretty sure most Germans would have been happy with that. Of course there were a few that would fight on for that glorious victory



          Hmmm.... with soldiers like you the war would be lost before it even began.

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            #35
            Originally posted by Obersalzberg View Post
            Hmmm.... with soldiers like you the war would be lost before it even began.
            It was lost before it began wasn't it ? With (solders ?) Marines like me it would never have started. But when it did start we made sure to finish it. Lucky for You too What unit do/did you serve ?

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              #36
              Probably the "1st SS LuncheonVoucher - Alf Garnett"
              (Strictly Weekends and Bank Holidays only ! ... IF the Misses will allow).
              Last edited by Gary Jucha; 03-25-2013, 04:32 AM.

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                #37
                I knew this would happen upon reading the title lol.
                Iam Uncle Sam
                That’s who Iam
                Been hiding out
                In a rock and roll band

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                  #38
                  Agreed

                  Well it's a typical "target" subject ...
                  Worth a laugh .. and thats about it ..

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by PANZER332 View Post
                    Patriot?????!!! A traitor.....

                    haha... what a retread.....

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                      #40
                      I have 3 sets of shoulder boards that belonged to Hans Oster... Some of my most treasured pieces....

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by Chris Boonzaier View Post
                        I have 3 sets of shoulder boards that belonged to Hans Oster... Some of my most treasured pieces....
                        are they spineless?

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Obersalzberg View Post
                          are they spineless?

                          I would love to engage in an intellectual debate on this with you, but I am assuming you are lacking the prerequisit... and historical knowledge.
                          Last edited by Chris Boonzaier; 04-14-2013, 05:44 PM.

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by Chris Boonzaier View Post
                            haha... what a retread.....

                            Oh why oh why did you have to poke that pile?

                            Now the flies are back.

                            Someone open the window!

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                              #44
                              Oohrah brother !
                              Originally posted by Tim OK View Post
                              It was lost before it began wasn't it ? With (solders ?) Marines like me it would never have started. But when it did start we made sure to finish it. Lucky for You too What unit do/did you serve ?

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                                #45
                                One thing we can all agree on is he was a very brave man and he used his life tonservr others which is a very honorable pursuit !! Many he rest in peace !

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