Holocaust
Some good points brought out here and some which really don't hold water.
The Holocaust connection to the V1 and V-2 projects must be the Dora complex - there is no doubt that slave labour was used there and that the welfare of the workforce was well down the list of priorities.
What has Dora got to do with the Holocaust - everything , it was as much a part of it as any of the main concentration camps and extermination camps.
David there are a few parts of your post which I would contest.
1. "Thought Crime" is the plea and terminology employed by those who deny the Holocaust.
The Holocaust is not a "particular belief " , its a proven historical fact.
I would hasten to and that it was not a Jewish only experience , Hitler endorsed the murder of German children and the mentally ill via T4 , he had no problem gassing and murdering them - this is as much a part of the Holocaust as what followed .
Mr. A Foxman - I know nothing about him or any claims he may have made.
Might he have been born after the Germans invaded , say between 1940 -45 ?
Likewise I don't want to be seen to be hijacking a thread and taking it off course and would apologise to Jon , David and the Moderator if this appears to be the case.
The production of the V weapons is certainly linked to slave labour drawn directly from the camp system.
As far as Berchtesgaden goes , never been there but would like to see it if only to walk the same routes that Hitler did.
The camp inmates a means of illustrating the contrast between the life style of the previous owner and a reminder of what he was responsible for ?
Jon's photographs - what must it have been like to have been under the bombs , pure hell !!
The V-1 ramp - how they imagined that they would not be shot to hell I don't know.
After The Battle have a well written and illustrated article about this complex its building and its destruction , also the Nordhausen Doar complex which has recently been explored and some "lost" V-2 sections found.
The complex at its lower levels is largely flooded and it was here that the V-2 parts came to light.
Thanks Jon for some intersting photos , much appreciated.
Some good points brought out here and some which really don't hold water.
The Holocaust connection to the V1 and V-2 projects must be the Dora complex - there is no doubt that slave labour was used there and that the welfare of the workforce was well down the list of priorities.
What has Dora got to do with the Holocaust - everything , it was as much a part of it as any of the main concentration camps and extermination camps.
I think what Jon might be getting at is that the "Holocaust" is being used for political purposes today in oder to mask the human rights crimes going on in Palestine committed by the Jewish State.
Agreed Jewish victims of WW2 should be remembered, but when "thought crimes" are utilised by a European state to enforce a particular belief, that is disproportionate.
Too many have "hopped on to the "Holocaust bandwagon" eg take the National Director of the Anti Defamation League, a Mr A. Foxman who claims to be a "Holocaust Survivor"-he wasn't even born when Germany invaded his Polish homeland.
When I think of Holocaust, I think of the Soviet Union.
Agreed Jewish victims of WW2 should be remembered, but when "thought crimes" are utilised by a European state to enforce a particular belief, that is disproportionate.
Too many have "hopped on to the "Holocaust bandwagon" eg take the National Director of the Anti Defamation League, a Mr A. Foxman who claims to be a "Holocaust Survivor"-he wasn't even born when Germany invaded his Polish homeland.
When I think of Holocaust, I think of the Soviet Union.
1. "Thought Crime" is the plea and terminology employed by those who deny the Holocaust.
The Holocaust is not a "particular belief " , its a proven historical fact.
I would hasten to and that it was not a Jewish only experience , Hitler endorsed the murder of German children and the mentally ill via T4 , he had no problem gassing and murdering them - this is as much a part of the Holocaust as what followed .
Mr. A Foxman - I know nothing about him or any claims he may have made.
Might he have been born after the Germans invaded , say between 1940 -45 ?
Likewise I don't want to be seen to be hijacking a thread and taking it off course and would apologise to Jon , David and the Moderator if this appears to be the case.
The production of the V weapons is certainly linked to slave labour drawn directly from the camp system.
As far as Berchtesgaden goes , never been there but would like to see it if only to walk the same routes that Hitler did.
The camp inmates a means of illustrating the contrast between the life style of the previous owner and a reminder of what he was responsible for ?
Jon's photographs - what must it have been like to have been under the bombs , pure hell !!
The V-1 ramp - how they imagined that they would not be shot to hell I don't know.
After The Battle have a well written and illustrated article about this complex its building and its destruction , also the Nordhausen Doar complex which has recently been explored and some "lost" V-2 sections found.
The complex at its lower levels is largely flooded and it was here that the V-2 parts came to light.
Thanks Jon for some intersting photos , much appreciated.
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