V1 Rocket site Visit

[Chap15]

My two bits on the holocaust uniform... it is my understanding that inmate uniforms were the same inside and out. No liner. Reason...so they couldn't turn them inside out and hide. Source...curator at the Nat Holocaust museum, Wash DC.

[VtwinVince]

Very interesting photos, thanks for posting them. I think it's important to remember all victims of the various holocausts of the last century, not only the Jewish one. Stalin systematically wiped out millions in the name of his own paranoia. Millions of German civilians and POW's were killed after the end of the war by occupying powers. And lets not forget the evil in central Africa a few short years ago.

[Vadim K]

National Director of the Anti Defamation League, a Mr A. Foxman who claims to be a "Holocaust Survivor"-he wasn't even born when Germany invaded his Polish homeland.

Born in Poland in 1940, Mr. Foxman was saved from the Holocaust as an infant by his Polish Catholic nursemaid who baptized and raised him as a Catholic during the war years. His parents survived the war, but 14 members of his family were lost.

http://www.jewishpost.com/jp1001/jpn1001b.htm

So tell us again, why exactly does he not have the right to call himself a Holocaust survivor..?

[Vadim K]

Very interesting photos, thanks for posting them. I think it's important to remember all victims of the various holocausts of the last century, not only the Jewish one. Stalin systematically wiped out millions in the name of his own paranoia. Millions of German civilians and POW's were killed after the end of the war by occupying powers. And lets not forget the evil in central Africa a few short years ago.

No one is forgetting the victims of other genocides, past of present. People seem to think that Holocaust organizations only focus on the Jewish victims of Nazism, which is not true. US Holocaust Memorial has established the Committee on Conscience the goal of which is to "alert the national conscience, influence policy makers, and stimulate worldwide action to confront and work to halt acts of genocide or related crimes against humanity". The theme of 2004 Holocaust Memorial Day in the UK was "From the Holocaust to Rwanda: lessons learned, lessons still to learn". The late Simon Wiesenthal constantly talked about millions of non-Jewish victims and about Holocaust being "not only a Jewish tragedy but a human tragedy".

[Adrian Stevenson]

Once again we are in danger of going away from what the thread was originally started about.


Let us remember all victims of this terrible war.

Cheers, Ade.

[Terry K.]

The picture of the V-1 looks about the correct size, as there is a Loon (US Army built V-1) on display 11 miles from my house. They were not very big, I would say little more than a 1000lb bomb with wings and motor.

[David G]

http://www.jewishpost.com/jp1001/jpn1001b.htm

So tell us again, why exactly does he not have the right to call himself a Holocaust survivor..?

I don't think you need telling again, do you?


http://www.jdo.org/fox.htm

http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=2&ar=1

http://www.familydefensecouncil.com/...oxmans_adl.htm


In the words of Norman Finkelsteins mother, (herself a survivor of Majdanek)

"IF EVERYONE WHO CLAIMS TO BE A SURVIVOR ACTUALLY IS ONE, WHO DID HITLER KILL?"

[Vadim K]

I know I am making more headache for Ade, but this is too precious to pass up, besides someone not familiar with the subject might (God forbid) think that David actually makes sense.

Remember that David's original contention was that Foxman claims to be a "holocaust survivor" while not in fact being one. Pretty simple, no? No argument about his character or integrity (I am not a fan of Foxman either), just his "survivor" status. Either he is or he isnt. Lets look at what David gives us as proof, shall we?

http://www.jdo.org/fox.htm

This is the best one of the three links because it states that Foxman is ...a holocaust survivor. I wonder if David read his own links before posting...

http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=2&ar=1

Finkelstein is every Revisionist's wet dream, a self-hating Jew who doubts the number of Jews killed in Holocaust. The link deals with the animosty between Finkelstein and Foxman. Not a word regarding Foxman's "holocaust survivor" status.

http://www.familydefensecouncil.com/...oxmans_adl.htm

The link accuses Foxman's ADL of cavorting with homosexuals (the horror). Needless to say, again not a word regarding Foxman's "holocaust survivor" status.

Foxman was saved by his Polish Catholic nanny who raised him as her "son" in Nazi-occupied Lithuania until 1944. Both were in mortal danger for the entire duration, especially considering that Lithuania was declared Judenfrei by the end of 1941. If this does not make him a Holocaust survivor, I am not sure what would.

[Simon O.]

My two bits on the holocaust uniform... it is my understanding that inmate uniforms were the same inside and out. No liner. Reason...so they couldn't turn them inside out and hide. Source...curator at the Nat Holocaust museum, Wash DC.

I would have thought that it was simply cheaper to produce. You'd stick out like a sore thumb with a jacket and trousers turned inside out anyway.

[David G]

I know I am making more headache for Ade, but this is too precious to pass up, besides someone not familiar with the subject might (God forbid) think that David actually makes sense.


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-Headache would be the word, I had already apologised to Jon, and should have apologised to Ade as well .However Vadim, completely oblivious to the opportunity he presents-just check out his signature -"facist executioner by guitar?"-well that already gives us more than hint to the nature of the man's politics,- and there are no surprises!


Remember that David's original contention was that Foxman claims to be a "holocaust survivor" while not in fact being one. Pretty simple, no? No argument about his character or integrity (I am not a fan of Foxman either), just his "survivor" status. Either he is or he isnt. Lets look at what David gives us as proof, shall we?


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-oh and just to prove how neutral and balanced he is, he throws in-"I'm not a fan either" (really?)
So he either is or isn't
Was he ever in a camp?-the answer is no, but then must we define the survivor?This is the crux and where the "Holocaust Industry" juggernaut begins and everyone can be a Holocaust Survivor to the detriment of those who actually survived.
So how many actally "survived?"-taking the ADL's definition, very many indeed

This is the best one of the three links because it states that Foxman is ...a holocaust survivor. I wonder if David read his own links before posting...

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Of course I read the link and posted because it gives the flavour and essence of the man, certainly not an edifying one..
If you look at who wrote it, its hardly surprising that he would be described as a survivor.
I think more than a few would disagree with his inclusion.



Finkelstein is every Revisionist's wet dream, a self-hating Jew who doubts the number of Jews killed in Holocaust. The link deals with the animosty between Finkelstein and Foxman. Not a word regarding Foxman's "holocaust survivor" status.

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-Oh and here the politician is revealed -"revisionists wet dream?" -well no need to guess which side of the belt you hang you keys? We know where you stand nudge nudge-say no more??????????
The link accuses Foxman's ADL of cavorting with homosexuals (the horror). Needless to say, again not a word regarding Foxman's "holocaust survivor" status.

Foxman was saved by his Polish Catholic nanny who raised him as her "son" in Nazi-occupied Lithuania until 1944. Both were in mortal danger for the entire duration, especially considering that Lithuania was declared Judenfrei by the end of 1941. If this does not make him a Holocaust survivor, I am not sure what would.

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-"What would"?-having been in the camp and survived,- thats what would.
I'm afraid Foxmans credentials include lot more than being a friend to the gays, and I'll leave it to whoever wants to do an internet search on Foxman to make up there own minds.

"Judenfrei"-not "Jew free?", ach so! wir konnen auch deutsche sprechen?-yes , it sounds so much better in German doesn't it? -some might even think you're an expert that way, nicht wahr???

[Kozlov]

Ohhh some nice revisionist stuff in here, glad I normally hang out in the "progressive" sections of W/A...

Anyway, back to the point about a "dull V2 museum", I think you mean Le Coupole (sp?) the "Museum of History and Rockets"? Yes?

I think this is an excellent museum, although its purpose is mainly not to actually describe the V2 assembly and launch facility that it is sighted in, but to describe the history of rockets and somethings about France's occupation in WW2.

I've been there several times and would reccommend it.

ONE of the sections is about the deportation and murder of French Jews. I guess some of you will be skipping that bit.

[Bobwirtz]

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[Adrian Stevenson]

Hi Bob, the items you mentioned are still there

Cheers, Ade.

[Bobwirtz]

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[Adrian Stevenson]

Hi Bob, you should return, as you say there is plenty to see. If you need a guide just drop me a line!

Here is Sal Williams from the forum at the V1 ramp last year when we visited Duxford.

Cheers, Ade.