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    Military group wants Nazi gravestones changed

    Military group wants Nazi gravestones changed; Veterans Administration says they’re ‘protected history’
    Theresa Braine
    By THERESA BRAINE
    NEW YORK DAILY NEWS |
    MAY 13, 2020 | 2:53 PM


    A nonprofit group dedicated to keeping religion out of the military is demanding the removal of three German World War II POW gravestones adorned with Nazi symbols from U.S. military cemeteries.

    The graves have been there since the 1940s, when German soldiers who had been transported to the U.S. after being captured died and were buried alongside the people who had fought so valiantly against them.

    The Veterans Administration calls them “protected history” and said they will stand.

    The headstones came to light when a retired military officer saw them while visiting his grandfather’s grave Fort Sam Houston National Cemetery in San Antonio, reported Salon. His grandfather, who was an ambulance driver and fought the Germans, is buried there, as are the officer’s aunt and uncle.

    There are 132 Germans buried in Sam Houston, according to the Jewish Telegraphic Agency newswire. Two of them, both of soldiers who died in 1943, bear Nazi iron crosses — marks of valor — with swastikas in the center, and the stones are engraved in German with, “He died far from his home for the Führer, people and fatherland.”

    There is also one at Fort Douglas Post Cemetery in Utah.

    Throughout the United States there are as many as 860 graves of German POWs from both World War I and World War II buried in 43 cemeteries, according to the news agency.

    The retired officer who alerted the nonprofit group, the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, to the graves kept his name out of it, he said, because he feared retribution given the increasing rash of anti-Semitism around the world, as reported by the Associated Press.

    “This is the hallowed ground of people who gave their life for this country,” the man told Military Times. “To be buried next to people they fought displaying that symbol of hate is disgusting.”

    “Leave out the Nazi symbols and the statement they honored Adolf Hitler and the fatherland,” he told the Jewish Telegraphic Agency.

    The Military Religious Freedom Foundation agreed and wants the stones ripped out and replaced with something devoid of Nazi symbolism. Foundation president and founder Mikey Weinstein also demanded an apology from Veterans Administration Secretary Robert Wilkie.

    “The Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF) hereby demands that V.A. Secretary Robert Wilkie IMMEDIATELY replace the gravestones of all German military personnel interred in V.A. National Cemeteries so that ABSOLUTELY NO Nazi-era symbols, such as the repulsive swastika, and no homages to Adolph Hitler, or the German people and the German fatherland he led as the evil Fuhrer of the Third Reich, will ever again be allowed to appear on such gravestones in V.A. National Cemeteries maintained by U.S. taxpayer dollars,” he said in a statement that misspelled Hitler’s first name. “Indeed, V.A. Secretary Wilkie must first timely explain WHY ANY such former enemy military personnel are even buried In V.A. National Cemeteries, in the first place, alongside our honored deceased American veterans?”

    He also demanded an “immediate and heartfelt apology to all United States veterans and their families,” for “the shocking and inexcusable existence of these Nazi-adorned gravesites in V.A. National Cemeteries.”

    The VA stands firm in its determination to keep the relics as historical markers, not to honor the sentiments but to keep the memory alive of what the world was fighting against, Wilkie said in a statement to the Military Religious Freedom Foundation and media outlets.

    “All of the headstones date back to the 1940s, when the Army approved the inscriptions in question. Both Ft. Sam Houston and Ft. Douglas cemeteries were subsequently transferred to the VA’s National Cemetery Administration, in 1973 and 2019, respectively,” the VA said. “The National Historic Preservation Act of 1966 assigns stewardship responsibilities to federal agencies, including VA and Army, to protect historic resources, including those that recognize divisive historical figures or events. For this reason, VA will continue to preserve these headstones, like every past administration has.”

    #2
    Thank you for posting. A very interesting read, I can see both sides view, but agree with the VA.

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      #3
      Grave markers

      Here a are a couple examples.
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        #4
        Sorry, but I really don't have a problem with my tax dollars going to maintain the graves of German POWs. Does that qualify as "hate speech?"

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          #5
          I had no idea at all they even existed until you posted this; I looked it up on the daily news... here is a link https://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...yey-story.html

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            #6
            I think there might be some statues of Robert E. Lee that still need demolishing somewhere......

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              #7
              Hi,

              https://www.militaryreligiousfreedom...key-weinstein/

              Michael L. “Mikey” Weinstein, Esq. – MRFF Founder & President

              Mikey Weinstein is the undisputed leader of the national movement to restore the obliterated wall separating church and state in the most technologically lethal organization ever created by humankind: the United States armed forces. Described by Harper’s magazine as “the constitutional conscience of the U.S. military, a man determined to force accountability”, Mikey’s family has a long and distinguished U.S. military history spanning three consecutive generations of military academy graduates and over 130 years of combined active duty military service in every major combat engagement our country has been in from World War I to the current Global War on Terror.

              Mikey is a 1977 Honor Graduate of the United States Air Force Academy. Mikey has been married for over 42 years to his wife, Bonnie. He is the proud parent of two sons, one daughter and two granddaughters. His oldest son and daughter-in-law are 2004 Graduates, Mikey’s youngest son graduated in the Class of 2007, and his son-in-law is a 2010 graduate from the Air Force Academy. Seven total members of Mikey’s family have attended the Academy. His father was a distinguished graduate of the United States Naval Academy. Mikey served for more than 10 years with the Judge Advocate General (“JAG”) Corps.

              A registered Republican, he also spent over three years working in, and for, the West Wing of the Reagan Administration as legal counsel in the White House. In his final position there, Mikey was named the Committee Management Officer of the much-publicized Iran-Contra Investigation in his capacity as Assistant General Counsel of The White House Office of Administration, Executive Office of the President of the United States. Mikey has held numerous positions in corporate America as a senior executive businessman and attorney.

              After stints at prominent law firms in both New York City and Washington D.C., Mikey served as the first General Counsel to Texas billionaire and two-time Presidential candidate H. Ross Perot and Perot Systems Corporation. He left Mr. Perot’s employ in 2006 to focus his fulltime attention on the nonprofit charitable foundation he founded to directly battle the far-right militant radical evangelical religious fundamentalists: the Military Religious Freedom Foundation.(https://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org)

              Mikey has appeared innumerable times on all of the major cable and terrestrial TV news networks and is a frequent guest on national radio networks as well. His constitutional activism has been covered and profiled extensively in the print media including the Associated Press, The New York Times, the Washington Post, the L.A. Times, the Denver Post, The Guardian, and many other national and international newspapers and periodicals including Time magazine.

              St. Martins Press in New York released Mikey’s book, “With God On Our Side: One Man’s War Against an Evangelical Coup in America’s Military” in October 2006. The paperback version was released in February 2008 with the Foreword being written by Ambassador Joseph Wilson IV. The book is an expose on the systemic problem of religious intolerance throughout the United States armed forces. At this time, Mikey also made his international film debut in the Hollywood adaptation of James Carroll’s New York Times best selling book detailing the 2,000 year bloody history between the Church and the Jews, entitled “Constantine’s Sword”, and directed by Oscar nominee Oren Jacoby.

              In January, 2012, Mikey’s latest book “No Snowflake in an Avalanche: The Military Religious Freedom Foundation, its Battle to Defend the Constitution, and One Family’s Courageous War Against Religious Extremism in High Places” was released. It details MRFF’s prominent case studies, struggles, and the violent reactions to MRFF advocacy.

              Mikey was named one of the 50 most influential Jews in America by the Forward, one of the nation’s preeminent Jewish publications. He also has received a nomination for the JFK’s Profile in Courage Award and received the Buzzflash Wings of Justice Award. In addition Mikey was honored by a distinguished civil rights organization, Jews for Racial and Economic Justice, with the Rabbi Marshall T. Meyer Risk-Taker Award for those who have taken risks in the pursuit of justice.

              In December 2012, Defense News named Mikey one of the 100 Most Influential People in U.S. Defense. As a distinguished “Opinion shaper” exercising a hard-fought influence over the U.S. Armed Forces, Mikey’s influence has been recognized as exceeding that of former General David Petraeus himself by a publication that represents “the world’s biggest military newsroom.” Defense News is a Gannett publication – as are USA Today, The Arizona Republic, Detroit Free Press, The Indianapolis Star, The Cincinnati Enquirer, and many other prominent newspapers across the nation. Gannett Government Media consists of Defense News, Army Times, Air Force Times, Navy Times, Marine Corps Times, Armed Forces Journal and Federal Times.

              Reviled by the radical fundamentalist Christian far-right, Mikey has been given many names by his enemies including “Satan”, “Satan’s lawyer”, “the Antichrist”, “That Godless, Secular Leftist”, “Antagonizer of All Christians”, “Most Dangerous Man in America” and “Field General of the Godless Armies of Satan”.

              On November 7, 2011, Americans United for the Separation of Church and State presented Mikey Weinstein with AU’s first ever Person of the Year Award. In their press release, AU describes MRFF as “the leading voice protecting church-state separation in the military.”

              On November 13, 2014, for the sixth consecutive year, the Military Religious Freedom Foundation was officially nominated again for the 2015 Nobel Peace Prize (its seventh total nomination).

              See You

              Vince

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                #8
                This may be a stupid question, but do any graves look like this in Germany?

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                  #9
                  I wonder how/why the now-controversial inscriptions about "Died for his Leader, the German People, etc." came to be inscribed on the headstone? I suspect that such was done at the express request of the wartime Germans. I notice both deaths were in 1943, so I assume the headstones were done and set in place pre-May, 1945.

                  I'm wondering if some sort of international treaties re: treatment of POW's afford a deceased POW's government and/or family members rights to a burial headstone that includes pretty much whatever inscriptions they want on it? To me the use of the version of the iron cross then in effect (i.e. w/ swastika) would have been nothing of significance at the time (c. 1943), as that was the time-honored symbol of German soldiers.

                  What really catches my attention, however, is the Nazi-era political inscription found at the bottom of the headstone. IMO it would make sense to see the wartime German government to have requested such headstone inscription. For sure (in my view) this inscription does not look like something American military authorities would have voluntarily elected to add to the headstone, i. e. I suspect same was done either under legal compulsion and/or as an accommodation in the hope that it would result in better treatment for Allied POW's held by Axis nations.

                  In sum, I strongly suspect that POW rights issues are what created these now controversial inscriptions. I also suspect that such POW rights issues may remain in effect at the present time, so that the US would might be in breach of international POW treaty obligations if they came back after-the-fact and obliterated inscriptions that the then-in-effect German government had requested for their deceased POW's via official channels.

                  More factual/legal background information seems needed in order to fully evaluate the situation. Specifically, I'd sure like to hear from someone familiar with any obligations the US government may be under re: treatment of remains of POW's who die during captivity, as I think such issues will help inform our views on this matter.

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                    #10
                    One wonders if Mikey here is an equally ardent supporter of the separation of temple and state as he is of church and state?
                    Last edited by Robert999; 05-14-2020, 02:27 PM.

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                      #11
                      I think that they should remove the swastikas and inscriptions. Just leave the iron cross and name etc. They were the enemy, and mention of Fuhrer and showing the swastika is odd imo.

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                        #12
                        Interesting,I found this on the web,I believe the stones with swaz and so on
                        are made war time,there is a similar stone with one who died december 24, 1945,this stone does not have I ron cross or swaz.
                        Here is the link:

                        https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/mi...#photo-2376650

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                          #13
                          Change my head stone and I will come back and haunt you!

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                            #14
                            it is the US Air Force (Ok, I'll avoid the Air Force Jokes ... ) ....
                            This is HISTORY ... it's an ugly part of history and one that SHOULD NOT be repeated, but if we erase ALL HATE symbols that are of a historical context, then one can fall prey to "not knowing" ..and that can lead to ignorance, and then that can lead to bad things repeating itself. Those stones probably go un-noticed 90% of the time, but they ARE noticed and cause folks to ask questions about that past ... that can be a good thing.
                            Just an opinion..

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Byzanti View Post
                              This may be a stupid question, but do any graves look like this in Germany?
                              They look more like this in my hometown i.d.Oberpfalz.
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