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[90th Light]

Excellent photo's Chris, oviously proud of there previous Afrika service.

Cant say I have ever seen three ribbons worn through the button hole befor and yes it looks like an Italian/Afrika ribbon to me .

Yes they are both interesting Greg and fit right into this thread.

I would love to know the story behind the "SVB 288" guy and see if his tunic still has the bottom pockets ??? He might be home on leave or in Germany under-going training. Then again is that German or European landscape ?

They were not officially allowed to wear the tropical tunic while in Germany/ Europe. However, many ignored that order and wore the tropical items with pride especially if they were front line veterans,

Chris

[Tim O'Keefe]

I know "NZ Mark" will not, it should get him going with his love of panzer collar tabs on tropical tunics.

Here is what W.Petz said about it;

"Panzermann...wearing SVB 288 patch?"

Hi Chris

He could be from the STUGIII platoon in SV288, but they did not wear the black Pz tabs on their tropical tunics to my knowledge ? The 10th Pz Div in Tunisia and also the Pz Div in Greece did wear the black Pz tabs on the tropical tunic. He looks to be on leave in Germany with his dog. Very interesting photo, thanks for posting

[90th Light]

Hi Chris

He could be from the STUGIII platoon in SV288, but they did not wear the black Pz tabs on their tropical tunics to my knowledge ? The 10th Pz Div in Tunisia and also the Pz Div in Greece did wear the black Pz tabs on the tropical tunic. He looks to be on leave in Germany with his dog. Very interesting photo, thanks for posting

Yes Tim,

this type of modified tunic is an interesting discussion on more than one thread.

Here is what "derka" recently added to this thread http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=658838 about it;

"I don't remember to have seen, neither on period pics or on items in the past or nowdays, tailor made or private purchase wraps made with HBT material.
Of course, never say never as usual, and keeping an open mind...
I'm only aware of coveralls made in small number with assembled (seewn together) HBT 4 pockets modified tunics and trousers in s.Pz.Abt 502.
Some (very few) HBT 4 pockets tunics were modified too, by removal of their lower pockets and with a shortend cut similar to M44 wool late tunics.
Those are generaly offered as "pz jackets", like this one wich is proposed in a next auction sale in Normandy :"

And below is the image of such a modified HBT tunic that "derka" posted when he stated the above.

Surprisingly, no one has yet mentioned on the "Heer "Mouse Grey" wraps " thread the tunics worn the 10th Pz Div in Tunisia and also the Pz Div in Greece,

Chris

[NZMark]

Ahhhh...Yes!
Great photos, Chris. I'd plumb for the Italio/German ribbon judging from the tones as well. The collar tabs look black to me on the photo of man and best friend.... No chance of a more detailed enlargement of that image?
Mark
NZ

[afrikasandman]

That is a nice pic of that Pz tunic with sv288 patch. I own the one photo of a guy in a stug wrap and pants with his sv288 patch just via able on the sleeve. I posted it back round pg 100 of this thread or so. Pics of Pz tabs on any trop tunic are uncommon and the sv288 patches in wear let alone on Pz tunics are far scarcer. Matt

[NZMark]

This might help...and I think this shows the tabs in the photo Chris posted are clearly black...
Regards,
Mark
NZ

[Paul l k]

Excellent Mark,,

I think your split black / colour pic illustrates the tab theory rather well so I am punting for the tabs being black ..

Cheers
Paul

[afrikasandman]

For those who havn't seen it, here is my STUG SV288 Soldier. I have never seen another pic of a wrapper with the patch on the sleeve. Since we are on the whole armor discussion here. Enjoy. Matt

[Bryant U.]

Nice to see that shot again Matt. Great stuff.

Bryant

[90th Light]

Here is another image the W.Petz has posted in the show your POW photos. Man he has some amazing photos

Again a 1st model tropical tunic being worn with Panzer collar tabs. Also possibly black panzer/ dark green continental shoulder boards or are they just tropical boards ?

And taken prisoner so I wonder what unit he was in at the time ???

Chris

[90th Light]

For those who havn't seen it, here is my STUG SV288 Soldier. I have never seen another pic of a wrapper with the patch on the sleeve. Since we are on the whole armor discussion here. Enjoy. Matt

Very interesting photo Matt,

I wonder if that wrap is made of cotton duck ???

I have added that image to the "Heer "Mouse Grey" wraps " thread http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=658838 because it is of equal interest there,

Rare patch, rare wrap, rare photo.

Many thanks for posting it,

Chris

[afrikasandman]

That is a great POW photo! Any photo with the black or gray collar tabs on tropical jackets are pretty damn scarce in Afrika or Italy. I have one with a couple of guys chilling under a tree with the black tabs on his faded jacket.

@Chris,

Its hard to say but looking at the photo more it does appear to have more of a denium/cotton duct like quality about the material than it does just straight gray wool. How many would touch a wrapper with that patch? I mean the SV288 I believe had a whole 3 STUGs or something to that effect so what like 12-20 guys probably had/wore a wrapper like this with that patch? Im glad I have the image and wish I had the wrapper, but if I had that wrapper I would never post it due to the never ending arguments it would cause! Matt

[Tim O'Keefe]

For those who havn't seen it, here is my STUG SV288 Soldier. I have never seen another pic of a wrapper with the patch on the sleeve. Since we are on the whole armor discussion here. Enjoy. Matt

I'm not sure this solder is from the SV 288, Stug platoon, DAK ? Pretty sure the Stug platoon wore the standard tropical tunic, not any sort of wrap ? Have been looking for photos of this unit and so far the photgraphic evidence is inconclusive. Not sure where he is from ? Still a great photo that needs to be researched further....perhaps he is on leave & wearing his wrap, not his tropical tunic ?

& Chris, thats another nice photo that is probably from the 10th Pz Div or in Greece. Here is a photo of a custom tropical tunic with the black Pz tabs & tk's from an officer of the 7th Pz Regt, 10 Pz Div Tunisia.

[NZMark]

Love that one, Tim!
Uncommon to see tabs on a tropical tunic and I nearly bid on the image Bill P has as well.
Seen before but here it is again...
Mark
NZ

[afrikasandman]

Tim,

I'll try to look through my SV288 photos tonight and i'll scan the SV288 photo album I do have. Its hard to say, perhaps this is later than Afrika after refit and its transition to a PzGrn unit. Impossible to say really, but i'll look at the pic again tonight but im like 99.9% sure its not dated on the back. Matt