Some very nice items there, that cut off is very nice and that early Heer Tropical Flak blitz is hard to comeby. I have one very similar to it. Im sure you know that early flak wore the white in Afrika but most just assume white is INF, either way very nice items. Matt
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Originally posted by afrikasandman View PostSome very nice items there,
Originally posted by afrikasandman View Postthat early Heer Tropical Flak blitz is hard to comeby. I have one very similar to it. Im sure you know that early flak wore the white in Afrika but most just assume white is INF
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Originally posted by alphared6 View PostThank you. The Frankfurt Flea Market in the 70's was a great place for this stuff but at the time I was a poor EM and money was tight.
Never understood why white was Inf everywhere else in the WH except in Afrika. Does anyone know why?
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I have heard that the 70s in Germany was awesome for picking up tons of stripped tunics and the occasional one with insignia under the tables. Wish that sorta stuff still happened as I am sitting on a ton of loose insignia but can't justify the price of a stripped tunic to make it worth my time and effort. I don't even wanna sell the tunic, just put some of my stock to use. As to why Flak was white in Afrika I really have no idea, seems odd to me but im just going to roll with it. Great stuff. Matt
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Originally posted by alphared6 View PostUnserstood. But weren't the rest of the flak units in Europe sporting red Waffenfarbe or was white for AAA special to Africa?Attached Files
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Originally posted by alphared6 View PostThank you.
Never understood why white was Inf everywhere else in the WH except in Afrika. Does anyone know why?
As Ramsey mentions, the DAK Inf were all Motorized, while the "foot" Inf in Tunisia did wear white. Lt Flak = white etc. In Europe it was the same way...
Here is another reference for you:
Here is list of Regt & Bn units in Afrika and the Balkans: copied from C Evans list, Thanks. 1941-42.
Combat Troops Staff: Waffenfarbe
Generals---Color was Red.
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Color is: White.
Army Group Staffs. A.G's. G,E,F, Staffs.
Army Staffs. Army Group "A" 2,12 Staffs.
Armored Group Staffs. "Afrika."
Korps Stabs. 11th, 30th, 51st, 52nd, 65th, 68th, 69th, 91st.
Reserve Stabs. 59th.
Motorized Korps Stabs. 41st.
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Color is Pink.
Armored Army Staffs.
Armored Korps Staffs. 14,40,46.
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Color is: Light Green/Grass Green.
Gebirgejager Korps Staffs. 15th, 18th, 21st, 22nd, 46th.
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Combat Troops--Infantry:
Color is: White.
Infantry Division Staffs.
1st Airlanding (Luftlande) Div Staff.
Assault (Sturm) Division Staffs. Rhodes.
Infantry Regiments. 16 thru 750.
Grenadier Regiments. 754,755.
Reenforcement Bataillons.220, 598,599.
Afrika Division Staff. 90,999.
Motorized Infantry Div Staffs. 16, 60.
Motorized Infantry Regiments Staffs. 60, 92.
Motorized Grenadier Regiment Staffs. 120, 156.
Motorized Regiment Grossdeutschland.
Special Purpose Div (Div zbV) Staffs.
Special Purpose Rgmt (zbV) Staffs.
Fortress Division Staffs. 41, 133, Kreta.
Fortress Btns. 621,622,623.
Fortress Infantry Btns. 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,16,18,19,20,21,22, 999.
Reserve Division Staffs. 173,187.
Reserve Infantry/Grenadier Rgmts. 17, 45, 130, 231, 462.
Flak Btns.
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Color is: Light Green/Grass Green.
Machinegun Battaillons. 2,8.
Gebirgsjager Div Staffs. 1,4,5,6.
Gerbirgs Regiments. 13,85,91,98,99,100,141,143.
Mountain Reinforcement (Feldersatz) Btns. 91,94,95.
Jager Div Staffs. 42,100,104,114,117,118.
Jager Rgmts.25 thru 750.
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--------------------Various colors.
1 (Sonderverband) 288.
Brandenburg Btns. 1,2,4.
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Combat Troops-Mobile: (Schnell Truppen)
Color is: Gold-Yellow:
Mobile Div Staffs.
Motorcycle Recon Btns. 59.
Division Recon (Divisionsaufklarung) Btns. 42 thru 392.
Motorized Recon Btns. 3,5,8,9,33,40,231.
Mountain Recon (Gebirgsaufklarung) Btn. 33.
Div Fusilier Btns. 181,297.
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Color is: Pink.
Panzer Div Staffs. 1,2,5,8,9,10,11,14,15.
Panzer Regiments. 1,3,5,7,8,10,15,31,33,36.
Motorcycle Recon Btn. 61.
Armed Recon Btns. 1,3,10,59,90,164,220,999.
Panzerjager Btns. 33,39,90,190,334,605,999,52 thru 392.
Motorized Panzerjager Btns. 4,37,38,43,50,53,90,160,228.
Mountain Anti-tank (Gebirgspanzerjager) Btns. 47,94,95.
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Color is: Grass Green.
Motorcycle Recon Btns. 2,8,15,55,59,64.
Motor Rifle Rgmts. 2,8,10,11,13,14,28,103,104,106,110,111,155,304.
Mechanized Panzergrenadier Rgmts. 1,69,86,104,113,115,125,155,200,361,382,433.
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Color is: Light Green.
Light Infantry Div Staffs. 90,101.
""""""in Africk Staffs. 90,164.
Light Inf Rgmts. 200,361.
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Combat Troops--Artillerie:
Color is: Red.
Artillerie Rgmts. 33,75,155,220,334,999,83 thru 670.
Arty Btns. 361,653,654,661,668,670.
Reserve Arty Btns. 10,96.
Motorized Arty Rgmts. 4,33,74,80,102,116,119,148,160,190.
Gebirgsarty Rgmts. 79,94,95,118.
Panzerarty Rgmts. 33,73,90,155.
Assault Gun (Sturmgeschutz) Btns. 184,190,191.
Army Anti-Aircraft Btns. 299,302.
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Neberwerfer Btn 9. ---Bordeaux Red.
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Combat Troops--Pioneers:
Color is: Black.
Pioneer Btns. 5,71 thru 704, 220,334,900,999.
Reserve Pi Btns. 46,86.
Pi Kompanies. 704,713,714,717,718, (Rhodes).
Gebirgspioneer Btns. 54,91,94,95.
Panzerpioneer (Armored Engineer) Btns. 13,33,37,38,49,59,86,89,200,209,220.
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Bau Pi Btn. 85 Color is Light Brown.
Combat Troops--Signals:
Color is: Lemon-Yellow.
Signals Btns. 5,334,999,71 thru 392.
Signals Kps. 704,713,714,717,718 (Rhodes).
Reserve Signals Kp. 1087.
Gebirgenachrichten Btns. 54,91,94,95.
Armored Signals (PanzerNachtrichten) Btns. 4,37,38,77,78,84,85,90,190,200,220,341.
Color is: Yellow-Grey.
Propaganda Kps. Afrika,690,698,
Propagands Btn. Sudost.
Supply Troops:
Color is: Cornflower Blue.
Div Supply. 5,46 thru 887, 190,220,334,999.
Gebirgs Div Supply. 54,91,94,95.
Mot Div Supply. 4,61,66,82,85,160.
Armored Div Supply. 59,60,81.
Supply Btn, 533.
Mot Transport (Kraftwagon) Kps. 33 thru 999 and 4 thru 887.
Hope this helps,
Heia Safari !
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Originally posted by Tim OK View PostHi Mike
As Ramsey mentions, the DAK Inf were all Motorized, while the "foot" Inf in Tunisia did wear white. Lt Flak = white etc. In Europe it was the same way...
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Originally posted by OSS View PostWhite piped straps and caps from Africa are extremely rare.
Mark
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Originally posted by OSS View PostI am unaware of any "foot" infantry in Tunisia or elsewhere in the N. African theatre. Certainly 90th Light, 164th Light, and 999th Light were all motorized and wore green waffenfarbe. The 334th "Infantrie" Division was fully motorized in spite of its name. Even the Wach Bataillon "Afrika" wore (Hellgrun) green waffenfarbe. White piped straps and caps from Africa are extremely rare.
DM mentions the 334th Div wore white in the Inf except for the Jagers... ?
Very nice straps Mark
P/s The Italian foot solder provided the DAK with the necessary traditional Inf. It should not be overlooked what part they played in the theatre.
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White piped shoulder boards from Afrika are certainly one of the hardest to find.
Here is the only ones that I have found. The white piped EM came from a New Zealand soldier who also got this Wehrpass at the same time. This unit of Pz.Gren.125 were over run during the Second Battle of El Alamein October – November 1942. They were on their way up to the front when the New Zealand vanguard which had broken through took them prisoner. Looks like they never even got into the battle. As you can see from the unit page in the Wehrpass, they were infantry up until 31/ August 1942 when they were reclassified as Panzer Grenadier and rushed to Afrika from Kreta as reinforcements.
Looks like some if not many were still wearing the white piping of J.R.125 when they arrived.
The other shoulder board from an officer in M.G.8 which is holding the Wehrpass page open was picked up in November 1941.
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I just loove this thread, and although I already shown my very few DAK items, most of your collections have inspired me to do this...
so I thank you all for sharing such beautiful items and hope this thread keeps on growing!!!!
thank you all....
more photos on the link below.......
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...314525&page=25
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