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    #181
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    Thank,s Mark
    Are the insigna,s a little bit dirty because they have a more orange look then yellow
    I do like how they are attached to the cap
    sigpicalways seeking = BEVO Cap and breast insignia

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      #182
      Originally posted by JOHN VD HEIJDEN
      Are the insigna,s a little bit dirty because they have a more orange look then yellow
      No, no, John, the cap and the insignia are not dirty at all. The 'orange' color is only the result of the flashlight. I should have taken the photo at daylight.I'll try to take a better photo.
      Mark

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        #183
        Here’s a second photo of the insignia, taken under better conditions.
        You will notice that the insignia are now less ‘orange’ than on the first photo, but nevertheless that these remain ‘orange’ compared to an identical uncut Totenkopf on the right. The uncut Totenkopf has a dull yellowish shade while the stitched one has a more ‘golden yellow’ tone. Both Totenköpfe were obviously produced by the same firm, only the yellow silky yarn is of a different hue.
        It is very common to find BeVo woven or machine embroidered insignia that are obviously from the same maker but show different shades.

        So, John, I must say that you have an excellent eye, and that you were right about the ‘orange’ color of the insignia.

        Mark
        Last edited by Langemark; 12-02-2004, 05:24 PM.

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          #184
          Originally posted by Langemark
          It is very common to find BeVo woven or machine embroidered insignia that are obviously from the same maker but show different shades.

          So, John, I must say that you have an excellent eye, and that you were right about the ‘orange’ color of the insignia.

          Mark
          Yes indeed it is a very strange colour
          Mark the insigna,s are both 2 fine originals
          I only have some little concerns( but that is mine tought I can be complety wrong, and I hopethat)about the colour < they indeed match
          but mine feeling say that they have been coloured < because and that Is mine opion you can see some traces of that on the bird

          I hope you don,t get angry on me I know you,re a very advanched collector
          but this is just mine opion

          If you want to ask me some more why I think this you can PM me ans send your e-mail

          Once again I hope I,m tottaly wrong
          but I saw once the same eagle coloured in to green (post-war)
          sigpicalways seeking = BEVO Cap and breast insignia

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            #185
            Hello John,

            Thank you for taking the time to investigate about the tan colored insignia on the tropical Feldmütze.

            It is right that both insignia on the cap have a golden-yellow tone, but this does not worry me (BTW, copies also have this dark golden tone, but are glossy). The dark color undeniably differs from the pale yellow colored tropical Totenköpfe abundantly available nowadays. This makes me even more comfortable with the Totenkopf on the cap, as it proves that it is not one of those that are currently available.

            You can believe me that when I got this cap, I immediately checked if the colors of both insignia were original. I checked it not only with a magnifying glass but even with a microscope and made several tests with different products, this in order to make sure that the silk fibers had not been re-dyed post-war. I also did the ‘blacklight test’ but nothing reacted (modern redying generally reacts to the blacklight test).

            After posting the last photo, I also observed some darker places on the chest area of the eagle. I then immediately wanted to verify once more, took the cap in my hands and … the eagle’s color is perfectly uniform. Silk items are difficult to photograph and I think the ‘traces’ on the photo are the result of the reflection of the flashlight on the chest part of the eagle (where the weaving is not as tight as on the wings).

            By the way, note that the golden-yellow silk thread on the eagle is somewhat thicker (and duller) than on the Totenkopf : this gives an impression of mismatching insignia, but in reality their color match perfectly.

            And John, rest assured that I “don’t get angry on you” but on the contrary, I thank you for your constructive remarks.

            Have a good Week-End,
            Mark

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              #186
              Holy cow!! Nice! This looks exactly like my collection?... ...However my collection does't have uniforms, hats and equipment. Accually, I don't have anyting . Anyway, again very nice collection.


              P.S. I saw a Panzer Generals black wrap tunic and pants (with red stripes) for sale on Manions 16K (don't hurt me for saying Manions ). Chow

              P.S.P.S The one who can guess the owner of the collection gets the SS generals tunic, right? Only in my dreams.

              As always, respectfully Steve

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                #187
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                Glad to hear that Mark
                also a check-up with a microscope
                But your quite right doing this ,because IMO the tropical ss-cap-eagle,s
                are very very rare ,in the last 10 years I only saw real ones
                only attached on a cap(schiffen /einheidsmutze) never saw an original one
                uncut and in mint condition
                very odd as you know how much tropicall sleeve-eagles and skulls are flowting around
                even saw 2 brown and 1 green ss-cap-eagle being sold in mint condition
                also sometimes the green skull pop-up sometime


                but a mint unisued tropical-ss-cap-eagle


                I will change mine signature ,lets see how long I ,ve to wait before mine
                PM-box is full
                sigpicalways seeking = BEVO Cap and breast insignia

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                  #188
                  Sorry Steve, but I never bought anything from Manion's, should I have ? Did I miss some rare General's uniform ?

                  John, to go on with the SS tropical cap insignia I forgot to mention that the golden yellow, almost brown, color of the insignia on the cap above is identical to the regulation autumn insignia for the camouflage cap introduced for a very short time in December 1942. Could there have been any correlation in the production of the insignia for the camouflage cap and for the tropical one, I simply don’t know.

                  Mark
                  Last edited by Langemark; 05-16-2004, 01:09 PM.

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                    #189
                    Let's go back to the pictures.
                    Here’ a first model “Sahariana” SS-tropical tunic (with pleats in the pockets) that perfectly matches the cap not only in color but also regarding the identical lightweight cotton twill both items are made of.

                    The tan painted glass buttons are marked “JFS 41”. The eagle is sand colored and is obviously much paler than the cap insignia. The “SS-Polizei Division” cuff title has been post-war added.

                    Mark<O</O
                    Last edited by Langemark; 12-02-2004, 05:25 PM.

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                      #190
                      Hello John,

                      I just wanted to confirm that I wasn’t joking when I said that I sometimes use a microscope in order to analyze some cloth or metal items. Of course I don’t use the microscope to the same extent as scientists do, but rather as a ‘big magnifying glass’ (usually between x40 and x150 only).
                      The microscope reveals to be a most helpful tool in case of doubt concerning the sewing threads, the cloth, the old or recent restoration of an item, the possible artificial ageing or artificial oxidization of metal items, the repainted items, etc.,… (the list could be long).

                      Mark<O</O

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                        #191
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                        Hello Mark
                        I also do use a magnifying glas with a light in it
                        It is the same as stamp collecters use
                        Glad to hear that I was wrong ,and that you inspected it very carfeully
                        By the way a very nice set-up that tropical frirst-type SAHARIANA
                        love to see him when he is ready
                        long trousers?????? with short laced boots??????
                        or maby short pants With the nice tropical high ss boots?????

                        I myself are working this time on 3 figure,s hope in a few months to be ready
                        sigpicalways seeking = BEVO Cap and breast insignia

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                          #192
                          Close up on the RZM-style "SS-Polizei-Division" cufftitle.

                          John, I will post some pictures of the SS tropical trousers I have. However, I don't have any pair of SS tropical high leather/canvas boots. (I have seen many fakes however !)

                          Mark
                          Last edited by Langemark; 12-02-2004, 05:26 PM.

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                            #193
                            Before going on with photos of the SS tropical trousers I'd prefer to conclude about the “Sahariana” SS-tropical tunic.
                            Photo of the interior. At kidney level we can see the back drawstrings. Contrary to the Heer tropical tunic there are no eyelets for the belt supporting hooks. Also, we can see one (of the two, left and right side, on SS tropical jackets) inside first-aid pocket. Note the four ventilation eyelets at the armpit.
                            Mark
                            Last edited by Langemark; 12-02-2004, 05:26 PM. Reason: precision

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                              #194
                              Tropical sleeve eagle.
                              Mark
                              Last edited by Langemark; 12-02-2004, 05:27 PM.

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                                #195
                                Close-up on the JFS and early date (1941) markings of one of the tan painted glass buttons.
                                Have a nice week-end,
                                Mark<O</O
                                Last edited by Langemark; 12-02-2004, 05:27 PM.

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