HR and box

[tanker]

This topic item was evidently posted here and then removed and now iI see it posted on GDC:

EDIT BY GARY WOOD*******Below is a quote by CG in this thread ************

http://forum.germandaggers.com/ubbth...423#Post226325

The family member had posted it online, looking for value and where/how it should be sold. He ended up sending the ring and box to Don for an authentication. Things fell apart with Don, so the guy demanded that Don return the objects, which he sent to me, and which I purchased. Don told him the box was a "poor quality reproduction from the 1940s" but offered to take it off his hands. I'm glad Don did that, because the kid got really pissed off, asked for it back, and sent it to me. I was very glad to buy the set, as the box is 100% original in my view. I frankly didn't know the ring topic had been pulled, but no matter. Here are the photos.

Quite an interesting turn of events. Don evidently had concerns. I see JR has posted pics of the FRANK ring and makes a comparison of the letter styles. Was the FRANK ring ever confirmed as legitimate? Quite ironic that this new ring acquisition soem similiar traits to a ring that had concerns.
Coincidence that Craig had both? Just thinking outloud and curious.

[DR DOLCH]

Yes both the rings had similar traits,but Don's COA says the latest ring is good but missing the flaws normally seen,but he says the box is a copy. Go figure.

[tanker]

Ah, the mystery!

[David Fettes]

So if both Don and Craig think the box is a reproduction, what is it about the box that makes you believe it is original?

[DR DOLCH]

Don According to the COA posted says the box is a copy,Craig says it is an original. Got me ?.

[David Fettes]

My mistake, I miss read one of the above posts and thought it said that Craig said the box was a copy.

[Thorsten B.]

Now that´s interesting!

I received pics of Robert´s ring and the box as well.
He told me that he received it together with the box from his godfather when he had his graduation.

At the time he sent me the pics the ring and box were, as he stated, already sent to Don for examination.

And by looking at the pics I received I got the impression and opinion and told Robert so as well - and I still have it now - that both items are very nice originals.

At that time Robert still waited for Don´s COA for both items and after he received it he told me the same what member "tanker" already said here.

So what is this all now?

An attempt from outside to move super faked rings by a total stranger (Robert) into collector´s community or two truely fine original beauties posted here by him and coming along with the true story?

What worries me is the circumstance that a ring - declared as a fine original piece - would have been put together with a fake box and that at a time (probably fifties or sixties) when I cannot imagine that such good copies were made to fool collectors.
I mean: were both items already that valuable so many years ago?

I highly doubt that.

[DR DOLCH]

I am a novice on rings.That being said if the box is a copy it looks like a pretty good one to me. Why is the rope design emphasized with three exclamation points !!!, Don mentions the striped box in his books? So sometimes the rings have flaws and sometimes they don't,thats just great. Is the COA original?. If perfect fakes are being made. I can see the price of rings and boxes dropping faster than the 2008 stock market.Just curious.

[Avrelio]

Where are the photos!!!!

[Massimo F.]

exactly! where are the photos otherwise why discussing this ring on the forum while you could have just called each other at the phone ...

[Thorsten B.]

?

[tanker]

The pics are on GDC and I am not sure they can get moved to this forum. If someone is a member over there and can copy the pics that CG p osted, that would be great. Why (who) deleted them on this forum is not clear. here is the thread on GDC:
http://forum.germandaggers.com/ubbth...423#Post226423

[David Fettes]

Just one other thing Tanker......Your first post gives the impression that you are the new owner of the ring, however in your link to GDC we can see that in fact you are just quoting Craig Gottlieb.

[tanker]

Correct, I am NOT the owner. I am hoping that we can get a good annswer to all this. I like HR's and the history and DO NOT want to see this type of controversy/doubt ruin the hobby. My opinion only, I think CG is wrong to post the alledged disatisfaction by the current owner toward Don and then use that to boast his sale. CG has jus too much controversy surrounding his ring acquisitions/authenications for me to feel comfortable with any ring he touts. He is free topsot the pics here and any supporting documents he has obtained from the seller. Ron

[DR DOLCH]

All I would too know is If the box is a copy,what makes it a copy. 2 How can a ring be an original if it is missing tell tale design flaws. If the ring has them why were they missed? Is it the first of it's kind.I am only interested in the ring and box nothing else ("He said , she said "ect )