stamp Mn

[Bernhard]

Hi,

MN is standing for MeNeSa = Metallwerke Neheim Saar.
During the war they made use of forced laborers.
The factory is located in Wellesweiler (Neunkirchen, Saarland) and still exists today.

Grtz.

Not much activity in clearing up the double marked MN / Menesa equipment.
But for clarification purposes I would like to correct the meaning of the Menesa trademark.
As you can see from the ads and the phone book entries Metallwerke Neheim is a completely different maker....

Here we go :

MENESA is the abbreviation of Metallindustrie Neunkirchen Saar
and Metallwerke Neheim was/is in the Ruhr area.

Here you can see the phone book entries of both :

[Bernhard]

here two ads , one from Menesa from the post war era and one from
Metallwerke Neheim from 1934.

[MULON]

Could be?

Ciao Bernhard and thanks for your new post
"Probrably the problem" is my not good english....so can you and/or other guys answer to my question with one directly "yes or not"?
Is this the last word for this producer?

MN - Müller Nürnberg
MENESA - Metallindustrie Neunkirchen Saar

Thanks, Gian

[MULON]

Ciao Dirk, remeber to post one example of these canteens, please

Dirk, still waiting

[knoffhoff]

Some of you maybe noticed a MENESA marked canteen on ebay that was sold a couple of days ago. I
couldn't resist bidding on it to maybe be able to bring some more light to the MN confusion.
Here is what I got.

[knoffhoff]

It is a typical 1l canteen. With a black 1943 dated aluminium cup, and early type aluminium screw cap.

[knoffhoff]

The screw cap has no marking. The rubber joint is of the later type with the hole which would fit a 1943 production.

[knoffhoff]

The cup has a double marking. MN43 on the usual spot. "Aluminium pur MENESA" on the top.

[knoffhoff]

Last but not least the aluminium bottle is marked with "Aluminium pur MENESA" and a big "1" on the bottom.

[knoffhoff]

On a sidenote, cover and straps are both KuB marked. I didn't shoot any photos because the stamps are rather faint, especially on the straps.

Please take a look at this thread, in which you can see another of the double stamped Menesa 1L canteens. There the marking on the cup was said to be fake and the cup itself a postwar production.

Canteen help needed

To me both canteens do not look like they have been messed with and pieces put together. Also the MN stamp, even though it differs from other MN43 stamps, doesn't look like it has been applied any later than the "MENESA" logo.(only was able to compare with steel cups, since I don't have any other MN43 alu cups)

In my opinion this is yet another strong sign that MN in fact is MENESA, yet it still is no 100% evidence. But I find it hard to believe that really somebody with a MN and MENESA stamp is trying to fool us.

[knoffhoff]

Another picture of the bottle that also shows the "1" marking that I accidentially cut off in thhe previous picture.

[MULON]

Ohhhhhh....yessssss
This is what I'm looking for, thanks for post it.
Now I have to go on pub with friends to see Italy vs Uruguay....then I'll say my thoughts
But before....." Forza Italia"

[Bernhard]

Thanks a lot to Knoffhoff !
This should solve the MN maker mystery.

Best regards

Bernhard

[MULON]

Thanks a lot to Knoffhoff !
This should solve the MN maker mystery.

Best regards

Bernhard

Ciao dear Bernhard
To be honest I'm not 100% sure with this conclusion.
IMO It makes no sense this whole story.
If I'm not wrong, almost (I repeat almost) all known manufacturers have, in decoding, the name of the city of production and so, if MN would be Menesa, I would expect to see the marking in this configuration: MNS.

Let's take a step back.
You posted a war time Max Muller Nuremberg brochure/prise liste where we can clearly see a m31 canteen, something never seen before on other brochures. To this day, I've never seen anything that is marked MMN, but the maker MN have a sense likes, for example, ET (Eisenhüttenwerk Thale , Thale/Harz ).
And, don't forget, MN was one of the earlyest producer of canteens.....

Menesa.....All known thing of Menesa (canteen and messkits) it's of the mid to late war period (from 43 to 45). It's true that a lot of stuff marked MN was found in France (of course, some areas of France were at war until the end of the war, maybe they were just warehouses for storage of goods).
It is natural to ask why Menesa has marked, only at this time and not before, with double marking. The answer, in my opinion, lies in the fact that it is work done on commission, as happened at the beginning of the war with the DRP + city (in code) with the name of the original manufacturer.

So....and of course IMO, this is the real decoding:

MN - Müller Nürnberg
MENESA - Metallindustrie Neunkirchen Saar

Now the last step would prove the existence of marked MNS (MeNeSa) things....

[MULON]

I forgot to say something very important.. ... years ago have been found in Spain m31 early canteens with their boxes. But, in fact, have only been found in Spain, were produced in Germany. So the fact that a lot of things marked MN has been found in France has no relevance to me.