Mess Kit Poll

[zeugmeister]

Hi,
I found this on germanmilitaria.com :

http://www.germanmilitaria.com/Heer/photos/H004656.html

so, I thought over and remeber that I have a " CFL 44 " mess kit, made of aluminium !
I wanted to know, are there other producers of `44 alu mess kits ? And when did they start making steel mess kits !?
And what about the Colour, when did they change that, from Fieldgrey to Oliv ?
So I start a Poll in a german forum ( www.militaria-fundforum.de ). And I want to start this also here.
Please look at your mess kits and tell me ( even if it`s already listed, I list them all to see how many mk`s from a producer whree still around ) ):

- producer
- date
- alu or steel
- colour ( FG = Feldgrau/ Fieldgrey, Oliv/ Greenisholiv, Braunoliv/ Brownisholiv,Schwarz/Black, Blaugrau/ Blueishgrey )

So, der Stand : ( MFF-bis inkl 60315, WAF bis Brad G 11-13-2007 )

1928:
WBL 28, Alu, Oliv ( hohe Form, M 1910 )
WBL 28, Alu, FG ( " " , " " )

1929:
B&Fl 29, Alu ( Modell 1910 )

1934:
HRE 34, Alu,Oliv
HWF 34, Alu, Schwarz

1935:
CFL 35, Alu, FG
HRE 35, Alu
HRE 35, Alu, Oliv
HRE 35, Alu, Oliv
VDNS 35 Alu, FG

1936:
EMM 36, Alu, FG
HRE 36, Alu, oliv

1937:
C&CW 37, Alu, FG
HRE 37, Alu, FG
HWSD 37, Alu, FG
MN 37, Alu, FG
RFI 37, Alu, Grünbraun
RFI 37, Alu, FG
SMM 37, Alu, Braunoliv
VDNS 37 ALU GRÜNBRAUN
ZPSTZ 37, Alu, Blaugrau

1938:
AWF 38, Alu, FG
AWG 38, Alu, FG
CFL 38, Alu, Oliv
C&CW 38, Alu, FG
ESB 38, Alu, FG
FWBN 38, Alu, FG
FWBN 38, Alu, FG
L&SL 38, Alu, FG
MKL 38, Alu, FG
RFI 38, Alu, FG
VDNS 38, Alu, FG
M6/1/38 (RZM ), Alu, FG

1939:
AW 39, Alu
AWF 39, Alu, FG
AWG 39, Alu, FG
AWG 39, Alu, FG
CH 39, Alu, FG
DMN 39, Alu, FG
ESB 39; Alu, FG
FWBN 39, Alu, FG
FWBN 39, Alu, 3 Farb Tarn
HWP 39, Alu, FG
JSD 39, Alu, FG
CFL 39, Alu, FG
CFL 39, Alu, Oliv
MN 39, Alu
MN 39, Alu, FG
RFI 39, Alu, Oliv
RFI 39, Alu, Schwarz
SSL 39, Alu, Oliv
SSM 39, Alu, FG
VDNS 39, Alu, FG
WAL 39, Alu, Schwarz
WAL 39, Alu, FG
WWE 39, Alu, FG
G&CL 39, Alu, FG
ESB 39, Alu, FG
L&SL 39 ALU BLAU

1940:
AWG 40, Alu, FG Hell
CFL 40, Alu, FG
DHW 40, Alu, FG
DMN 40, Alu, FG
ESB 40, Alu,
ESB 40, Alu, Oliv
ESB 40, Alu, Oliv
FSS 40, Alu, FG
HWSD 40, Alu, FG
L&SL 40, Alu, FG
MKL 40, Alu, FG
C&CW 40, Alu, Oliv
AWF 40 ALU BLAU
MN 40, Alu
OHW 40, Alu, FG
RFI 40, Alu, FG
RFI 40, Alu, FG
RFI 40, Alu, Oliv
SMM 40, Alu, FG
SMM 40, Alu, FG
VDNS 40, Alu, FG
WAL 40, Alu, FG
WAL 40, Alu, FG
WSD 40, Alu,
WWE 40, Alu, FG

1941:
AEM.A 41, Alu, FG
BSW 41, Alu, FG
C&CW 41, Alu, Schwarz
CFL 41, Alu, FG
CFL 41, Alu, Braunoliv
CFL 41, Alu, Schwarz
CFL 41, Alu, Schwarz
DMN 41, Alu, Oliv
HRE 41, Alu, Oliv
HRE 41, Alu, Oliv
HRE 41, Alu, Oliv
HWSD 41, Alu, Oliv
L&SL 41, Alu, Oliv
L&SL 41, Alu, Schwarz?
MN 41, Alu, FG
RFI 41, Alu, FG
RFI 41, Alu, FG
SMM 41, Alu, Blaugrau
VDNS 41, Alu, Oliv
WW 41, Alu, Oliv
ZPSIZ 41, Alu, Oliv

ccj 41, Alu, FG

1942:
ESB 42, Alu
ESB 42, Alu, Oliv
ET 42, Eisen, Oliv
HRE 42, Alu, Oliv
HRE 42, Alu, Oliv
HRE 42, Alu, Oliv
MN 42, Alu, Braunoliv
NJ ? 42 EISEN NUR ROSTSCHUTZFARBE
WJ 42, Eisen, Oliv ( Aussen und Innen )

1943:
AEMA 43, Eisen, Oliv
AEMA 43, Eisen, Oliv
EEF 43, Alu, Oliv
EEH 43, Alu, Oliv
ET 43, Eisen, Oliv, Innen Rot
FWBN 43, Alu, FG
HRE 43, Alu, Blau
HRE 43, Alu, Oliv
HRE 43, Alu, FG
HRE 43, Alu, Oliv
HRE 43 Alu, field grey finish
MN 43, Eisen, Dunkelapfelgrün, GLÄNZEND !!!
OHW 43, Eisen, Oliv
OHW 43, Alu, Oliv
RFI 43, Eisen, Oliv ( Innen Rot )
SMM 43, Alu, FG
SMM 43, Eisen, Oliv
SMM 43, Alu, FG

1944:
AW 44, Alu, Oliv
CFL 44, Alu, Braunoliv
CFL 44, Alu, FG ?
DMN 44, Alu, FG
ESB 44, Alu, FG
ESB 44, Alu, Oliv
FWBN 44, Alu, Oliv
FWBN 44, Alu, Oliv
GLN 44, Alu, Gelboliv
HRE 44, Alu, Oliv
HRE 44, Alu, Oliv
HRE 44, Alu, Oliv
HRE 44, Alu, FG
HRE 44, Alu
MN 44, Alu, Braunoliv
MN 44, Alu, Oliv, ( mit Einsatz )
MN 44, Eisen, Oliv
MN 44, Alu, Oliv
MN 44, Alu, Kessel nicht lackiert !
OHW 44, Alu, Oliv
OHW 44, Alu, Oliv
OHW 44, Alu, Oliv
SS 44, Alu, Oliv
SMN (SMM?) 44, Alu, FG
V?N 44, Alu, FG
WJ 44, Eisen, Schwarz ( Emailiert )

kvu 44, Alu, FG
kvu 44, steel, Oliv

0/0571/0116 44, Alu, FG ( mit Einsatz )
0/0571/0116 44, Alu, Oliv ( Innen und Außen )

1945:
MN 45 , Alu ( ohne Meßstriche, ohne Griff am Deckel

So, there are some interesting Facts:

3 Producers of `44 Alu mk`s, but not one of steel mk !
a bluegrey mk !
one with ccj instead of capitals !
mk`s painted oliv before `41 !

Please list your`s, I`am on Fire !

[JPhilip]

Hi,
IMO, mess-kits were made of aluminium from their introduction to the end of the war, with also a production of messkits made of steel in 1942/43 (more or less due to makers inerty).

my messkits :

WBL 28 aluminium Feldgrau (M1910 messkit)
RZM M6/25/38 aluminium Feldgrau (M1910 messkit)
SMM 34 aluminium dark Feldgrau
VDNS 37 aluminium dark Feldgrau
FWBN 38 aluminium dark Feldgrau
VDNS 39 aluminum dark Feldgrau
GNL 39 aluminium dark Feldgrau
MN 39 aluminium dark Feldgrau
AWF 39 aluminium dark Feldgrau
CFL 40 aluminium factory dark Feldgrau + field light Feldgrau
RFI 40 aluminium dark Feldgrau
VAL 40 aluminium dark Feldgrau
HRE 40 aluminium factory dark Feldgrau + field three tone camo
L&SL 41 aluminium light Feldgrau
HRE 41 aluminium light Feldgrau
HRE 42 aluminium light Feldgrau
OHW 43 steel light Feldgrau
AEMA 43 steel light Feldgrau
Black Enameled steel, no markings
Green Enameled steel, no markings
DMN 44 aluminium Feldgrau with inner plate
FWBN 44 aluminium Light Feldgrau
MN 44 aluminium light Feldgrau with inner plate
0/0571/0116 44 aluminium light Feldgrau with inner plate
CFL 44 aluminium dark Feldgrau
MN 45 aluminium olive green with inner plate
MN 45 aluminium no paint, no handle
italian aluminium mess-kit painted Feldgrau


I hope it'll help
ciao!

[zeugmeister]

Thanks, I will add it to the above List soon !
It`s interesting, all steel mk`s were produced `42 and `43 !
Anyone with a`44 or `45 steel mess kit ?

[airborne_steve]

I have many mess kits also but you'll find that aluminum was used till the end of the war. My HRE45 is made by "Ritter" aluminum and came back in the origional paper wrapper as it was found at the depot yard. Accually, most Ritter aluminum mess kits you will find out in the collecting community with 44 & 45 dates are mint & unissued.

Steve

[zeugmeister]

Hi Steve, could you please post them, I`am also interested in the Manufactureres !
BTW, not only the `44 and `45, I have 2 mint HRE from `42

Regards

Dirk

[19BARBAROSSA41]

I have and had few 1944 alum messkits. They are / they were marked :
OHW 44 , MN 44, FWBN 44 and one unmarked ( but all characteristics were from 44 ) .
Steel messkits were made from late 1942 to the end of war . As I know alu messkits from late war (1944/45 ) are rare.
My friend have steel meskkits marked WJ 44 and one unmarked . All steel meskits I've seen were in diffrent colors ( one of my friend have very dark green - almost black messkit , other friend have brown and very dark blue messkit ). All steel meskkits I had or I have , have been made between 1942/1943 and were olive outside and red inside ( this kind of painting was used to early 1944 - my friend have steel canteen cup painted in the same style like steel messkits and cups from 1942/1943) .
One of my friend have steel messkit all painted in olive ( oustside and inside ).
I aslo now that AEM.A made messkits painted outside in olive and inside in dark blue ( the same sitution was with steel canteens made by AEM.A ).
As I know olive color was introduced in 1940 or 1941 ( my friend had top of alum messkit from 1940 which was in olive .But I've seen feldgrau alum messkits from 1941 ( it was marked CJJ 41 ).
I've got in my collection messkits marked VDNS 41 ( pinted in olive ) , L.S&L 40 ( painted in feldgrau ) , OHW 43 ( painted olive outside and red inside ), ESB 42 ( painted in olive ) , OHW 44 ( painted in rotten olive ).

[Grubhy]

My:
WJ 44-steel, black-green enamel
MN 44 top green/ bottom never painted alu
WJ 42(!) steel ,green painted ext. and int.
FWBN 39-three color camo(under black-greyish colour) alu of course

GREAT TOPIC

[reidmuller]

i have
"RFI 40" alu light green
"AEM.A 41" alu dark green
"RFI 43" Steel light olive green with red inside
"AW 44" alu light green
"0/0571/0116 44" olive green and olso olive green inside but red enameld underneth
"kvu 44" alu and dark olive green paint
"ohw 44" aly light olive green

[Jeff M.]

Here is what I could find:
L&SL 38 aluminum dark feldgrau
DMN 39 aluminum dark feldgrau
C&C.W. 38 aluminum dark feldgrau
ESB 38 aluminum dark feldgrau

[zeugmeister]

No more MK`s around ?????

Dirk

[Brad Posey]

I just picked up a steel one marked ET 43. THe bottom portion is not marked, but the olive paint matches and both pieces are painted red inside. Unfortunately someone repainted it with green paint. I was able to remove just about all of it without damaging the original paint.

Brad

[stroh]

Mess tin codes

Gentlemen,
My two M31 messtins are as follows:

HRE43 alu, field grey finish
kvu44 steel, olive finish

Regards,
Ed

[rick1]

Hi, mine 1936... HRE 36, Alu, oliv.

[Admiraal]

I got a few early and mid war alu ones and one steel enameld without markings.

Also an alu dated '45 like someone discriped above:
MN 45 , Alu ( ohne Me******223;striche, ohne Griff am Deckel )

Its in good, but used condition.

[von Olsson]

I have a mess kit marked HRE 40. This has sadly been repainted and I would like to know its original colour? Now it´s black...