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    #1

    Mess Kit Poll

    Hi,
    I found this on germanmilitaria.com :

    http://www.germanmilitaria.com/Heer/photos/H004656.html

    so, I thought over and remeber that I have a " CFL 44 " mess kit, made of aluminium !
    I wanted to know, are there other producers of `44 alu mess kits ? And when did they start making steel mess kits !?
    And what about the Colour, when did they change that, from Fieldgrey to Oliv ?
    So I start a Poll in a german forum ( www.militaria-fundforum.de ). And I want to start this also here.
    Please look at your mess kits and tell me ( even if it`s already listed, I list them all to see how many mk`s from a producer whree still around ) ):

    - producer
    - date
    - alu or steel
    - colour ( FG = Feldgrau/ Fieldgrey, Oliv/ Greenisholiv, Braunoliv/ Brownisholiv,Schwarz/Black, Blaugrau/ Blueishgrey )

    So, der Stand : ( MFF-bis inkl 60315, WAF bis Brad G 11-13-2007 )

    1928:
    WBL 28, Alu, Oliv ( hohe Form, M 1910 )
    WBL 28, Alu, FG ( " " , " " )

    1929:
    B&Fl 29, Alu ( Modell 1910 )

    1934:
    HRE 34, Alu,Oliv
    HWF 34, Alu, Schwarz

    1935:
    CFL 35, Alu, FG
    HRE 35, Alu
    HRE 35, Alu, Oliv
    HRE 35, Alu, Oliv
    VDNS 35 Alu, FG

    1936:
    EMM 36, Alu, FG
    HRE 36, Alu, oliv

    1937:
    C&CW 37, Alu, FG
    HRE 37, Alu, FG
    HWSD 37, Alu, FG
    MN 37, Alu, FG
    RFI 37, Alu, Grünbraun
    RFI 37, Alu, FG
    SMM 37, Alu, Braunoliv
    VDNS 37 ALU GRÜNBRAUN
    ZPSTZ 37, Alu, Blaugrau

    1938:
    AWF 38, Alu, FG
    AWG 38, Alu, FG
    CFL 38, Alu, Oliv
    C&CW 38, Alu, FG
    ESB 38, Alu, FG
    FWBN 38, Alu, FG
    FWBN 38, Alu, FG
    L&SL 38, Alu, FG
    MKL 38, Alu, FG
    RFI 38, Alu, FG
    VDNS 38, Alu, FG
    M6/1/38 (RZM ), Alu, FG

    1939:
    AW 39, Alu
    AWF 39, Alu, FG
    AWG 39, Alu, FG
    AWG 39, Alu, FG
    CH 39, Alu, FG
    DMN 39, Alu, FG
    ESB 39; Alu, FG
    FWBN 39, Alu, FG
    FWBN 39, Alu, 3 Farb Tarn
    HWP 39, Alu, FG
    JSD 39, Alu, FG
    CFL 39, Alu, FG
    CFL 39, Alu, Oliv
    MN 39, Alu
    MN 39, Alu, FG
    RFI 39, Alu, Oliv
    RFI 39, Alu, Schwarz
    SSL 39, Alu, Oliv
    SSM 39, Alu, FG
    VDNS 39, Alu, FG
    WAL 39, Alu, Schwarz
    WAL 39, Alu, FG
    WWE 39, Alu, FG
    G&CL 39, Alu, FG
    ESB 39, Alu, FG
    L&SL 39 ALU BLAU

    1940:
    AWG 40, Alu, FG Hell
    CFL 40, Alu, FG
    DHW 40, Alu, FG
    DMN 40, Alu, FG
    ESB 40, Alu,
    ESB 40, Alu, Oliv
    ESB 40, Alu, Oliv
    FSS 40, Alu, FG
    HWSD 40, Alu, FG
    L&SL 40, Alu, FG
    MKL 40, Alu, FG
    C&CW 40, Alu, Oliv
    AWF 40 ALU BLAU
    MN 40, Alu
    OHW 40, Alu, FG
    RFI 40, Alu, FG
    RFI 40, Alu, FG
    RFI 40, Alu, Oliv
    SMM 40, Alu, FG
    SMM 40, Alu, FG
    VDNS 40, Alu, FG
    WAL 40, Alu, FG
    WAL 40, Alu, FG
    WSD 40, Alu,
    WWE 40, Alu, FG

    1941:
    AEM.A 41, Alu, FG
    BSW 41, Alu, FG
    C&CW 41, Alu, Schwarz
    CFL 41, Alu, FG
    CFL 41, Alu, Braunoliv
    CFL 41, Alu, Schwarz
    CFL 41, Alu, Schwarz
    DMN 41, Alu, Oliv
    HRE 41, Alu, Oliv
    HRE 41, Alu, Oliv
    HRE 41, Alu, Oliv
    HWSD 41, Alu, Oliv
    L&SL 41, Alu, Oliv
    L&SL 41, Alu, Schwarz?
    MN 41, Alu, FG
    RFI 41, Alu, FG
    RFI 41, Alu, FG
    SMM 41, Alu, Blaugrau
    VDNS 41, Alu, Oliv
    WW 41, Alu, Oliv
    ZPSIZ 41, Alu, Oliv

    ccj 41, Alu, FG

    1942:
    ESB 42, Alu
    ESB 42, Alu, Oliv
    ET 42, Eisen, Oliv
    HRE 42, Alu, Oliv
    HRE 42, Alu, Oliv
    HRE 42, Alu, Oliv
    MN 42, Alu, Braunoliv
    NJ ? 42 EISEN NUR ROSTSCHUTZFARBE
    WJ 42, Eisen, Oliv ( Aussen und Innen )

    1943:
    AEMA 43, Eisen, Oliv
    AEMA 43, Eisen, Oliv
    EEF 43, Alu, Oliv
    EEH 43, Alu, Oliv
    ET 43, Eisen, Oliv, Innen Rot
    FWBN 43, Alu, FG
    HRE 43, Alu, Blau
    HRE 43, Alu, Oliv
    HRE 43, Alu, FG
    HRE 43, Alu, Oliv
    HRE 43 Alu, field grey finish
    MN 43, Eisen, Dunkelapfelgrün, GLÄNZEND !!!
    OHW 43, Eisen, Oliv
    OHW 43, Alu, Oliv
    RFI 43, Eisen, Oliv ( Innen Rot )
    SMM 43, Alu, FG
    SMM 43, Eisen, Oliv
    SMM 43, Alu, FG

    1944:
    AW 44, Alu, Oliv
    CFL 44, Alu, Braunoliv
    CFL 44, Alu, FG ?
    DMN 44, Alu, FG
    ESB 44, Alu, FG
    ESB 44, Alu, Oliv
    FWBN 44, Alu, Oliv
    FWBN 44, Alu, Oliv
    GLN 44, Alu, Gelboliv
    HRE 44, Alu, Oliv
    HRE 44, Alu, Oliv
    HRE 44, Alu, Oliv
    HRE 44, Alu, FG
    HRE 44, Alu
    MN 44, Alu, Braunoliv
    MN 44, Alu, Oliv, ( mit Einsatz )
    MN 44, Eisen, Oliv
    MN 44, Alu, Oliv
    MN 44, Alu, Kessel nicht lackiert !
    OHW 44, Alu, Oliv
    OHW 44, Alu, Oliv
    OHW 44, Alu, Oliv
    SS 44, Alu, Oliv
    SMN (SMM?) 44, Alu, FG
    V?N 44, Alu, FG
    WJ 44, Eisen, Schwarz ( Emailiert )

    kvu 44, Alu, FG
    kvu 44, steel, Oliv

    0/0571/0116 44, Alu, FG ( mit Einsatz )
    0/0571/0116 44, Alu, Oliv ( Innen und Außen )

    1945:
    MN 45 , Alu ( ohne Meßstriche, ohne Griff am Deckel

    So, there are some interesting Facts:

    3 Producers of `44 Alu mk`s, but not one of steel mk !
    a bluegrey mk !
    one with ccj instead of capitals !
    mk`s painted oliv before `41 !

    Please list your`s, I`am on Fire !
    Last edited by zeugmeister; 08-11-2008, 04:37 AM.
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    #2
    Hi,
    IMO, mess-kits were made of aluminium from their introduction to the end of the war, with also a production of messkits made of steel in 1942/43 (more or less due to makers inerty).

    my messkits :

    WBL 28 aluminium Feldgrau (M1910 messkit)
    RZM M6/25/38 aluminium Feldgrau (M1910 messkit)
    SMM 34 aluminium dark Feldgrau
    VDNS 37 aluminium dark Feldgrau
    FWBN 38 aluminium dark Feldgrau
    VDNS 39 aluminum dark Feldgrau
    GNL 39 aluminium dark Feldgrau
    MN 39 aluminium dark Feldgrau
    AWF 39 aluminium dark Feldgrau
    CFL 40 aluminium factory dark Feldgrau + field light Feldgrau
    RFI 40 aluminium dark Feldgrau
    VAL 40 aluminium dark Feldgrau
    HRE 40 aluminium factory dark Feldgrau + field three tone camo
    L&SL 41 aluminium light Feldgrau
    HRE 41 aluminium light Feldgrau
    HRE 42 aluminium light Feldgrau
    OHW 43 steel light Feldgrau
    AEMA 43 steel light Feldgrau
    Black Enameled steel, no markings
    Green Enameled steel, no markings
    DMN 44 aluminium Feldgrau with inner plate
    FWBN 44 aluminium Light Feldgrau
    MN 44 aluminium light Feldgrau with inner plate
    0/0571/0116 44 aluminium light Feldgrau with inner plate
    CFL 44 aluminium dark Feldgrau
    MN 45 aluminium olive green with inner plate
    MN 45 aluminium no paint, no handle
    italian aluminium mess-kit painted Feldgrau


    I hope it'll help
    ciao!
    Last edited by JPhilip; 07-03-2009, 04:37 PM.

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      #3
      Thanks, I will add it to the above List soon !
      It`s interesting, all steel mk`s were produced `42 and `43 !
      Anyone with a`44 or `45 steel mess kit ?

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        #4
        I have many mess kits also but you'll find that aluminum was used till the end of the war. My HRE45 is made by "Ritter" aluminum and came back in the origional paper wrapper as it was found at the depot yard. Accually, most Ritter aluminum mess kits you will find out in the collecting community with 44 & 45 dates are mint & unissued.

        Steve

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          #5
          Hi Steve, could you please post them, I`am also interested in the Manufactureres !
          BTW, not only the `44 and `45, I have 2 mint HRE from `42

          Regards

          Dirk
          Last edited by zeugmeister; 12-17-2006, 12:34 PM.

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            #6
            I have and had few 1944 alum messkits. They are / they were marked :
            OHW 44 , MN 44, FWBN 44 and one unmarked ( but all characteristics were from 44 ) .
            Steel messkits were made from late 1942 to the end of war . As I know alu messkits from late war (1944/45 ) are rare.
            My friend have steel meskkits marked WJ 44 and one unmarked . All steel meskits I've seen were in diffrent colors ( one of my friend have very dark green - almost black messkit , other friend have brown and very dark blue messkit ). All steel meskkits I had or I have , have been made between 1942/1943 and were olive outside and red inside ( this kind of painting was used to early 1944 - my friend have steel canteen cup painted in the same style like steel messkits and cups from 1942/1943) .
            One of my friend have steel messkit all painted in olive ( oustside and inside ).
            I aslo now that AEM.A made messkits painted outside in olive and inside in dark blue ( the same sitution was with steel canteens made by AEM.A ).
            As I know olive color was introduced in 1940 or 1941 ( my friend had top of alum messkit from 1940 which was in olive .But I've seen feldgrau alum messkits from 1941 ( it was marked CJJ 41 ).
            I've got in my collection messkits marked VDNS 41 ( pinted in olive ) , L.S&L 40 ( painted in feldgrau ) , OHW 43 ( painted olive outside and red inside ), ESB 42 ( painted in olive ) , OHW 44 ( painted in rotten olive ).
            Last edited by 19BARBAROSSA41; 12-17-2006, 02:34 PM.

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              #7
              My:
              WJ 44-steel, black-green enamel
              MN 44 top green/ bottom never painted alu
              WJ 42(!) steel ,green painted ext. and int.
              FWBN 39-three color camo(under black-greyish colour) alu of course

              GREAT TOPIC

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                #8
                i have
                "RFI 40" alu light green
                "AEM.A 41" alu dark green
                "RFI 43" Steel light olive green with red inside
                "AW 44" alu light green
                "0/0571/0116 44" olive green and olso olive green inside but red enameld underneth
                "kvu 44" alu and dark olive green paint
                "ohw 44" aly light olive green

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                  #9
                  Here is what I could find:
                  L&SL 38 aluminum dark feldgrau
                  DMN 39 aluminum dark feldgrau
                  C&C.W. 38 aluminum dark feldgrau
                  ESB 38 aluminum dark feldgrau

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                    #10
                    No more MK`s around ?????

                    Dirk

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                      #11
                      I just picked up a steel one marked ET 43. THe bottom portion is not marked, but the olive paint matches and both pieces are painted red inside. Unfortunately someone repainted it with green paint. I was able to remove just about all of it without damaging the original paint.

                      Brad

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                        #12
                        Mess tin codes

                        Gentlemen,
                        My two M31 messtins are as follows:

                        HRE43 alu, field grey finish
                        kvu44 steel, olive finish

                        Regards,
                        Ed

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                          #13
                          Hi, mine 1936... HRE 36, Alu, oliv.

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                            #14
                            I got a few early and mid war alu ones and one steel enameld without markings.

                            Also an alu dated '45 like someone discriped above:
                            MN 45 , Alu ( ohne Me******223;striche, ohne Griff am Deckel )

                            Its in good, but used condition.
                            I'm collecting anything related to the towns Castricum and Bakkum during WWII.
                            Also soldbucher from 116pzdiv. And 1944-1945 eastfront pockets, kampfgruppe and Oder front.
                            My website: Gotrick.nl

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                              #15
                              I have a mess kit marked HRE 40. This has sadly been repainted and I would like to know its original colour? Now it´s black...

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